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No. 37 |
No 37 |
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Votes and Proceedings |
Procès-verbaux |
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Legislative Assembly |
Assemblée législative |
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Wednesday |
Mercredi |
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2nd Session, |
2e session |
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Prayers |
Prières |
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The Speaker addressed the House as follows:- I beg to inform the House that I have today laid upon the Table the Individual Members' Expenditures for the fiscal year 2000-2001 (Sessional Paper No. 79). |
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The Speaker delivered the following ruling:- On Thursday, June 14, 2001, the Chief Government Whip (Mr. Klees) rose on a point of privilege concerning security incidents that occurred on June 12 at the constituency office of the Minister of Finance, and on June 14 outside the Premier's Office in the Legislative Building. The Member for Windsor-St. Clair (Mr. Duncan), the Member for Beaches-East York (Ms. Lankin), the Government House Leader (Mrs. Ecker), and the Minister of Labour (Mr. Stockwell) also made submissions. |
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I have had an opportunity to review the Hansard for that day, the written submissions of the Chief Government Whip, and the relevant authorities and precedents. Before dealing with the question of privilege, I want to first reflect on -- not reconsider -- a point of order raised by the Member for Beaches-East York and dealt with by the Acting Speaker. The Member for Beaches-East York indicated that the submissions of the Chief Government Whip reflecting on the alleged silence of Members of the Third Party about the security incidents offended Standing Order 23(h) and Standing Order 23(i). These Standing Orders require the Speaker to call a Member to order if he or she "[m]akes allegations against another member" or "[i]mputes false or unavowed motives against another member" in debate. |
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At the time that the Member for Beaches-East York raised her point of order, the Chief Government Whip had not specifically identified which Member or Members were the subject of his remarks. Had he done so, it would have been open to the chair to intervene and call the Member to order. In any event, looking back at the incident, I cannot emphasize enough that Members should exercise restraint in making personal allegations against another Member. Members should understand that such allegations can cause disorder, that the chair takes seriously its responsibility to maintain order and decorum in the Chamber, and that the chair will continue to be vigilant in this regard. |
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After the chair's ruling on the point of order raised by the Member for Beaches-East York, the Chief Government Whip resumed making oral submissions on his point of privilege. Towards the end of these submissions, he informed the House that the purpose of that part of his remarks reflecting on the alleged silence of Members of the Third Party concerning the security incidents was "to get the Third Party publicly on record" on the issue. This was an unfortunate choice of words because it detracted from the seriousness of the safety and security issue raised by the Member, and from the rationale for rising on a point of privilege. In other words, when Members rise on a point of privilege, they should do so in order to vindicate the individual privileges of all Members and the collective privileges of this House. |
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I also want the House to know that I take all security incidents very seriously, given the jurisdiction over security that has been reposed in the Speaker by virtue of Section 103 of the Legislative Assembly Act. Therefore, I want to inform the House about the following measures being taken in light of the latest incidents. Firstly, I have taken steps to enhance security in the Legislative Building. Secondly, the Sergeant-at-Arms, whose security responsibilities are primarily focused on the Legislative Precincts, will continue visiting Members' constituency offices to advise on security issues. And finally, the Speaker's all-Party advisory committee on security will review the incidents with a view to assisting me to determine what else should be done to prevent or deal with future incidents. I ask for the co-operation of all Members to ensure that their working environment is safe and secure not only for Members, but also for their staff, their clients, and their constituents. |
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I will now speak directly to the point raised by the Member for Etobicoke Centre (Mr. Stockwell) regarding a demonstration that occurred on June 14 in the Legislative Building in front of the Premier's Office. The Member recounted the difficulty he had that day in navigating the hallways of the Legislative Building, and the precautions that were taken to ensure he was escorted safely to those places in the Building he wished to go. In reviewing his comments, the Member did not make it clear that he was in fact prevented from getting to and from specific places in the Legislative Building, or was prevented from carrying out his parliamentary duties. |
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It would appear that, to the contrary, with appropriate assistance, the Minister was able to come and go safely. While I acknowledge that ideally Members should not have to encounter even the inconvenience the Member experienced, the nature of a public building that is also the seat of parliament sometimes works against that. I therefore find that he did not make out a prima facie case of privilege. In so finding I nevertheless reiterate my determination to ensure that all Members have confidence in the safety and security of this Building. Returning now to the point of privilege raised by the Chief Government Whip, I wish to advise the House that, while Section 46(1) of the Legislative Assembly Act confers, and the Speaker claims, an absolute and unfettered right to deal with all questions of privilege, regardless of other circumstances, I have nevertheless in this case made the decision to defer my ruling until such time as charges against individuals in relation to the events at the constituency office of the Minister of Finance have been fully dealt with. |
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It is not typical for a matter of privilege to come before the House while either criminal or civil charges related to the very same incident, or incidents, complained of in the matter of privilege are pending. For this reason, and to fully observe the principal that the legislative and judicial branches of government ought to refrain from encroaching upon the proper jurisdiction of the other, I feel prudence requires me to set this matter aside until the judicial system has disposed of it. Therefore, and regardless of the outcome of those matters, at the appropriate time I will rule on the point of privilege of the Member for Oak Ridges on its merits, and I thank the House for its patience in this regard. |
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Reports by Committees |
Rapports des Comités |
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The Speaker addressed the House as follows:- I beg to inform the House that today the Clerk received the Ninth Report / neuvième rapport of the Standing Committee on Government Agencies. Pursuant to Standing Order 106(e), the Report is deemed to be adopted by the House (Sessional Paper No. 78). |
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Mr. Barrett from the Standing Committee on Justice and Social Policy presented the Committee's report as follows and moved its adoption:- |
M. Barrett du Comité permanent de la justice et des affaires sociales présente le rapport du comité et propose l'adoption comme suit:- |
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Your Committee begs to report the following Bill without amendment:- |
Votre comité propose qu'il soit permis de faire rapport sur le projet de loi suivant sans amendement:- |
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Bill 82, An Act to amend the Legislative Assembly Act to provide an arm's length process to determine members' compensation. |
Projet de loi 82, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'Assemblée législative pour établir un processus sans lien de dépendance permettant de fixer la rétribution des députés. |
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The motion, having been put, was carried on the following division:- |
La motion, mise aux voix, est adoptée par le vote suivant:- |
AYES / POUR - 76
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Agostino Arnott Baird Barrett Bartolucci Beaubien Bountrogianni Boyer Brown Bryant Caplan Chudleigh Clark Cleary Clement Colle |
Conway Crozier Cunningham Curling Di Cocco Dombrowsky Duncan Dunlop Ecker Elliott Flaherty Galt Gerretsen Gilchrist Gill |
Gravelle Guzzo Hardeman Hastings Hoy Hudak Jackson Johns Johnson Kells Kennedy Kwinter Lalonde Marland Martiniuk |
Maves Mazzilli McLeod McMeekin Miller Molinari Munro Mushinski Newman O'Toole Ouellette Patten Phillips Runciman Ruprecht |
Sampson Smitherman Snobelen Spina Stewart Stockwell Tascona Tilson Tsubouchi Turnbull Wettlaufer Wilson Witmer Wood Young |
NAYS / CONTRE - 5
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Bisson |
Kormos |
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Martin |
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Pursuant to the Order of the House of June 26, 2001, the Bill was Ordered for Third Reading. |
Conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 26 juin 2001, ce projet de loi est ordonné pour la troisième lecture. |
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Mr. Dunlop from the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills presented the Committee's Report which was read as follows and adopted:- |
M. Dunlop du Comité permanent des règlements et des projets de loi d'intérêt privé présente le rapport du comité qui est lu comme suit et adopté:- |
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Your Committee begs to report the following Bills without amendment:- |
Votre comité propose qu'il soit permis de faire rapport sur les projets de loi suivants sans amendement:- |
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Bill Pr12, An Act respecting Master's College and Seminary (formerly Eastern Pentecostal Bible College). |
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Bill Pr18, An Act respecting Conrad Grebel University College. |
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Bill Pr20, An Act respecting the City of Toronto. |
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Your Committee begs to report the following Bill as amended:- |
Votre comité propose qu'il soit permis de faire rapport sur le projet de loi suivant avec des amendements:- |
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Bill Pr13, An Act respecting The Boys' Home. |
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Introduction of Bills |
Dépôt des Projets de Loi |
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The following Bills were introduced and read the first time:- |
Les projets de loi suivants sont présentés et lus une première fois:- |
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Bill 93, An Act to amend the Audit Act and to ensure that municipal restructuring and the reallocation of responsibilities between Ontario and its municipalities do not have an adverse effect on municipal finances. Mr. McMeekin. |
Projet de loi 93, Loi modifiant la Loi sur la vérification des comptes publics et visant à assurer que la restructuration municipale et la nouvelle répartition des responsabilités entre l'Ontario et ses municipalités n'ont pas des conséquences préjudiciables sur les finances municipales. M. McMeekin. |
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Bill 94, An Act to stop the demolition of affordable rental housing and the conversion of affordable rental housing into condominiums and to protect and preserve existing neighbourhoods. Mr. Colle. |
Projet de loi 94, Loi visant à empêcher la démolition des logements locatifs à prix abordables et leur reconversion en condominiums ainsi qu'à protéger et à conserver les quartiers existants. M. Colle. |
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Bill 95, An Act to require open meetings and more stringent conflict rules for provincial and municipal boards, commissions and other public bodies. Ms. Di Cocco. |
Projet de loi 95, Loi exigeant des réunions publiques et des règles plus strictes de règlement de conflit pour les commissions et conseils provinciaux et municipaux ainsi que les autres organismes publics. Mme Di Cocco. |
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Motions |
Motions |
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On motion by Mrs. Ecker, |
Sur la motion de Mme Ecker, |
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Ordered That, pursuant to Standing Order 72, the Order for Second Reading of Bill 81, An Act to provide standards with respect to the management of materials containing nutrients used on lands, to provide for the making of regulations with respect to farm animals and lands to which nutrients are applied, and to make related amendments to other Acts, be discharged and the Bill be referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Social Policy. |
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On motion by Mrs. Ecker, |
Sur la motion de Mme Ecker, |
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Ordered That, pursuant to Standing Order 72, the Order for Second Reading of Bill 90, An Act to promote the reduction, reuse and recycling of waste, be discharged and the Bill be referred to the Standing Committee on General Government. |
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With unanimous consent, on motion by Mrs. Ecker, |
Avec le consentement unanime, sur la motion de Mme Ecker, |
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Ordered That, notwithstanding Standing Order 59(e), the Standing Committee on Estimates be authorized to meet this afternoon to consider the Estimates of the Ministry of Education. |
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With unanimous consent, the following Bill was read the Second time and Ordered for Third Reading:- |
Avec le consentement unanime, le projet de loi suivant est lu une deuxième fois et ordonné pour la troisième lecture:- |
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Bill 19, An Act to amend the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities Act. |
Projet de loi 19, Loi modifiant la Loi sur le ministère de la Formation et des Collèges et Universités. |
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With unanimous consent, The following Bill was read the Third time and was passed:- |
Avec le consentement unanime, le projet de loi suivant est lu une troisième fois et adopté:- |
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Bill 19, An Act to amend the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities Act. |
Projet de loi 19, Loi modifiant la Loi sur le ministère de la Formation et des Collèges et Universités. |
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With unanimous consent, the following Bill was read the Second time and Ordered for Third Reading:- |
Avec le consentement unanime, le projet de loi suivant est lu une deuxième fois et ordonné pour la troisième lecture:- |
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Bill 85, An Act to minimize the use of restraints on patients in hospitals and on patients of facilities. |
Projet de loi 85, Loi visant à réduire au minimum l'utilisation des moyens de contention sur les malades des hôpitaux et des établissements. |
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With unanimous consent, The following Bill was read the Third time and was passed:- |
Avec le consentement unanime, le projet de loi suivant est lu une troisième fois et adopté:- |
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Bill 85, An Act to minimize the use of restraints on patients in hospitals and on patients of facilities. |
Projet de loi 85, Loi visant à réduire au minimum l'utilisation des moyens de contention sur les malades des hôpitaux et des établissements. |
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Deferred Votes |
Votes différés |
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The deferred vote on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 45, An Act to implement measures contained in the 2001 Budget and to amend various statutes was carried on the following division:- |
La motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 45, Loi mettant en oeuvre des mesures mentionnées dans le budget de 2001 et modifiant diverses lois, mise aux voix sur le vote différé, est adoptée par le vote suivant:- |
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AYES / POUR - 50
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Arnott Baird Barrett Beaubien Chudleigh Clark Clement Cunningham DeFaria Dunlop |
Ecker Elliott Flaherty Galt Gilchrist Gill Guzzo Hardeman Hastings Hudak |
Jackson Johns Johnson Kells Marland Martiniuk Maves Mazzilli Miller Molinari |
Munro Mushinski Newman O'Toole Ouellette Runciman Sampson Snobelen Spina Stewart |
Stockwell Tascona Tilson Tsubouchi Turnbull Wettlaufer Wilson Witmer Wood Young |
NAYS / CONTRE - 35
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Agostino Bartolucci Bisson Bountrogianni Bradley Brown Bryant |
Caplan Cleary Colle Conway Crozier Curling Di Cocco |
Dombrowsky Duncan Gerretsen Gravelle Hoy Kennedy Kormos |
Kwinter Lalonde Lankin Marchese Martel Martin McLeod |
McMeekin Patten Peters Phillips Pupatello Ruprecht Smitherman |
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And the Bill was accordingly read the third time and was passed. |
En conséquence, ce projet de loi est lu une troisième fois et adopté. |
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The deferred vote on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 58, An Act to ensure the provision of essential ambulance services in the event of a strike or lock-out of ambulance workers was carried on the following division:- |
La motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 58, Loi visant à assurer la fourniture des services d'ambulance essentiels dans l'éventualité d'une grève ou d'un lock-out de préposés aux services d'ambulance, mise aux voix sur le vote différé, est adoptée par le vote suivant:- |
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AYES / POUR - 49
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Arnott Baird Barrett Beaubien Chudleigh Clark Clement Cunningham DeFaria Dunlop |
Ecker Elliott Flaherty Galt Gilchrist Gill Guzzo Hardeman Hastings Hudak |
Johns Johnson Kells Marland Martiniuk Maves Mazzilli Miller Molinari Munro |
Mushinski Newman O'Toole Ouellette Runciman Sampson Snobelen Spina Stewart Stockwell |
Tascona Tilson Tsubouchi Turnbull Wettlaufer Wilson Witmer Wood Young |
NAYS / CONTRE - 35
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Agostino Bartolucci Bisson Bountrogianni Bradley Brown Bryant |
Caplan Cleary Colle Conway Crozier Curling Di Cocco |
Dombrowsky Duncan Gerretsen Gravelle Hoy Kennedy Kormos |
Kwinter Lalonde Lankin Marchese Martel Martin McLeod |
McMeekin Patten Peters Phillips Pupatello Ruprecht Smitherman |
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And the Bill was accordingly read the third time and was passed. |
En conséquence, ce projet de loi est lu une troisième fois et adopté. |
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With unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". |
Avec le consentement unanime, l'Assemblée revient à l'appel des «Motions». |
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On motion by Mrs. Ecker, |
Sur la motion de Mme Ecker, |
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Ordered, that notwithstanding the Order of the House of Monday, June 25, 2001, the House shall not sit this evening. |
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With unanimous consent, the following motion was moved without notice:- |
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On motion by Mrs. Ecker, |
Sur la motion de Mme Ecker, |
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Ordered That, the following committees be authorized to meet during the Summer Adjournment to examine and enquire into the following matters:- Standing Committee on General Government, for up to 2 weeks, to consider Bill 90, An Act to promote the reduction, reuse and recycling of waste; Standing Committee on Justice and Social Policy for up to three weeks, to consider Bill 81, An Act to provide standards with respect to the management of materials containing nutrients used on lands, to provide for the making of regulations with respect to farm animals and lands to which nutrients are applied, and to make related amendments to other Acts. |
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Petitions |
Pétitions |
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Petitions relating to Protecting minors from exposure to sexually explicit materials / Protection des mineurs contre les biens et services sexuellement explicites (Sessional Paper No. P-10) Mr. Beaubien and Mr. Wood. Petition relating to Family doctors in Cambridge (No. P-12) Mr. Martiniuk. |
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Petitions relating to Passing the Budget Bill giving tax credits to parents whose children attend independent schools (Sessional Paper No. P-62) Mr. Hoy and Mr. Tilson. Petitions relating to Voucher plans for private schools (Sessional Paper No. P-64) Ms. Di Cocco, Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Marchese, and Mr. Martin. Petitions relating to Rising prices for Home Care services purchased by Community Care Access Centres (Sessional Paper No. P-72) Mr. Bartolucci, Ms. Martel and Mr. Martin. Petition relating to the Applications by General Environmental Group Inc. (Sessional Paper No. P-77) Mr. Wettlaufer. Petition relating to a full independent inquiry into the death of Sharon Reynolds (Sessional Paper No. P-81) Mr. Gerretsen. |
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Orders of the Day |
Ordre du Jour |
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Mr. Newman moved, |
M. Newman propose, |
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That, pursuant to Standing Order 46 and notwithstanding any other Standing Order or Special Order of the House relating to Bill 80, An Act to promote a stable learning environment and support teacher excellence, when Bill 80 is next called as a Government Order, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the second reading stage of the bill without further debate or amendment, and at such time, the bill shall be Ordered for third reading; That the Order for third reading may then immediately be called; That when the order for third reading is called, ninety minutes of debate shall be allotted to the third reading stage of the bill, and that the time shall be divided equally among all recognized parties. That at the end of this time, the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put every question necessary to dispose of this stage of the bill without further debate or amendment; That no deferral of the second or third reading votes pursuant to Standing Order 28(h) shall be permitted; and That, in the case of any division relating to any proceeding on the bill, the division bells shall be limited to five minutes. |
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A debate arising, after some time, the motion was carried on the following division:- |
Un débat s'ensuit et après quelque temps, la motion est adoptée par le vote suivant:- |
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AYES / POUR - 48
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Arnott Baird Barrett Beaubien Chudleigh Clark Clement Cunningham DeFaria Dunlop |
Ecker Elliott Galt Gilchrist Gill Guzzo Hastings Hodgson Hudak Johns |
Kells Klees Marland Martiniuk Maves Mazzilli Miller Molinari Munro Mushinski |
Newman O'Toole Ouellette Runciman Sampson Snobelen Spina Stewart Stockwell |
Tascona Tilson Tsubouchi Turnbull Wettlaufer Wilson Witmer Wood Young |
NAYS / CONTRE - 21
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Agostino Bisson Bountrogianni Brown Caplan |
Conway Crozier Curling Di Cocco |
Dombrowsky Duncan Gerretsen Gravelle |
Kennedy Kormos Lalonde Marchese |
Martel Martin Patten Pupatello |
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The House then adjourned at 6:00 p.m. |
À 18 h, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux. |
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le président GARY CARR Speaker |
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Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 39(A):- |
Documents Parlementaires Déposés Conformément à l'Article 39(A) du Règlement |
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Ontario Road Safety Annual Report 1998 (No. 80). Ontario Road Safety Annual Report 1999 (No. 81). |
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