L176G - Fri 4 Apr 1997 / Ven 4 avr 1997
CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO
Report continued from volume F.
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CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO
Continuing consideration of Bill 103, An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto / Projet de loi 103, Loi visant à remplacer les sept administrations municipales existantes de la communauté urbaine de Toronto en constituant une nouvelle municipalité appelée la cité de Toronto.
The Second Deputy Chair (Mr Bert Johnson): NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Breen Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Breen Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Breezewood Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Breezewood Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Breezeway Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Breezeway Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bremner Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bremner Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brenda Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brenda Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brendan Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brendan Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brendwin Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brendwin Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.
This is an NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brenham Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brenham Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brenham Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brenham Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"`I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brentcliffe Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brentcliffe Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brenton Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brenton Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brentside Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brentside Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brentwood Avenue'" --
Mr Steve Gilchrist (Scarborough East): On a point of order, Mr Chair: On two occasions in the last 12 hours the members of the third party have been instructed to remove any signage indicating their party affiliation. One of the honourable members has once again positioned a number of boxes in such a way that they're prominently displayed for the cameras and I would ask you to have the signage removed.
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is a point of order. Members are not allowed to have props or displays. I can't see any. We will continue.
Mr Gilchrist: Point of order, Mr Chair: Twice previously your colleagues have in fact not used the interpretation that they had to see it, just that they were visible to the other members in the chamber and to the camera. I can see them from here, Mr Chair, and I invite you, if necessary, to review their rulings.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'll ask members of the third party if they have props or signage that they want to get out. Other than that, all I can do is make a ruling and if you want to challenge it, then --
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brentwood Road N living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brentwood Road N living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brentwood Road S living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brentwood Road S living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brenyon Way living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brenyon Way living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brett living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brett living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brett Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brett Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bretton Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bretton Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brewster Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brewster Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brewton Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brewton Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brian Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brian Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brian Cliff Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brian Cliff Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brian Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brian Drive living in the urban area.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Mr Howard Hampton (Rainy River): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I've been trying to follow your reading of the amendment and I don't believe you read section 2 or section 3 of the amendment. I may have missed --
The Second Deputy Chair: I don't know. What would you like me to do? Would you like me to read that in?
Mr Hampton: Yes, I believe it's only proper that you read the whole thing.
The Second Deputy Chair: I think I did, but if I didn't, I'll read it in again. It is a point of order.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"
I add these between 1 and 4.
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brian Dale Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brian Dale Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Briar Hill Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Briar Hill Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
Hon Al Leach (Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing): On a point of order, Mr Chair: The member for Cochrane North continues to take part in the votes while not being in his seat. I would ask that you advise him that he must be in his seat to take part in the vote.
Mr Hampton: On that point Chair --
The Second Deputy Chair: I don't need help on that one. On the voice vote --
Mr Len Wood (Cochrane North): He's out of order.
The Second Deputy Chair: You come to order. I'm talking to you. On the voice vote, and it's hard for me to determine whether or not they're in their seats, what I am looking for is when five members stand, they must be in their places.
Mr Bob Wood: That's why he's out of order.
Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-Woodbine): There are more than five of us.
The Second Deputy Chair: I just want to clear this up. He is not one of the five I count if he is not in his seat. That is a point of order and I have ruled on it.
Mr Hampton: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Would you confirm that to the government members so that they understand the rules, that all we need is five people standing --
The Second Deputy Chair: No. Please take your seat. I think I have cleared it up. If you want, I will --
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm ruling on your point of order. I want you to --
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: If I could have a little order, then I'd like to address this point of order. It is not my duty to make sure that people understand. It is only my duty to tell them.
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Mr Gilles Bisson (Cochrane South): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I listened intently to your ruling. I believe the standing orders are very clear. When people are voting in the House, normally they have to be in their seats. It's not a question of --
The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat. I want to rule on this point of order for you. We are not under ordinary standing orders now. We are under a special bill. If you would like to appeal that ruling, then you may.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Briarbluff Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Briarbluff Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Briarcreek Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Briarcreek Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Briarcroft Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Briarcroft Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I realize how quickly you're trying to expedite things, but it is necessary for you to read the entire motion. You just skipped the full paragraphs 3 and 4 this time.
The Second Deputy Chair: I am very sorry. I will read them into the record. I expect they will be inserted between 2 and 5. Will that satisfy the omission on my part? Okay.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.'"
Those are to be inserted between 2 and 5.
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Briarfield Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Briarfield Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Briarcross Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Briarcross Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Briarwood Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Briarwood Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridesburg Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridesburg Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridgeland Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridgeland Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
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"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridgenorth Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridgenorth Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridgeland Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridgeland Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the public hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,"
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is defeated.
Mr Len Wood: Did you say "defeated" or "deferred"?
The Second Deputy Chair: I said "defeated."
Mr Len Wood: It's supposed to be "deferred."
The Second Deputy Chair: Somebody with a point of order.
Ms Lankin: I have a point of order, but you should deal with this first.
The Second Deputy Chair: When I looked, there were five people standing; only four in their own place. So that's why I said "defeated."
Mr Len Wood: Who was out of their place?
Ms Lankin: He wasn't counted; there were five of us besides him.
The Second Deputy Chair: Yes. Maybe I'll take a little more time, but there were only four members standing in their place.
Ms Annamarie Castrilli (Downsview): There were six who were standing and one out of place.
Ms Shelley Martel (Sudbury East): Yes, but there were six people standing.
The Second Deputy Chair: The Chair recognizes the member for Beaches-Woodbine on a point of order.
Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Once again, I know it has been drawn to your attention many times and you intend to continue reading at a very fast speed. I want to point out to you that you are making errors with respect to the reading of the amendments and there is an official record. I don't know how Hansard is ever going to be able to transcribe at the speed in which you're reading, but I'll point out to you. In the last amendment, under paragraph 3, the end of the sentence reads "has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing." You read out, "made at the public hearing." Now, in other places within the amendment that refers to public hearing.
This is not a large error in terms of the intent of the amendment, but it is not being read as printed, and I have pointed out to you on a few occasions, inadvertently I'm sure, how you've missed paragraphs. I know how you're trying to expedite, but I would ask you, please try to give a bit more care and maybe just slow down a touch so that we could get an accurate record read.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry. I'm doing my best to read as written. The other thing is, I may make a mistake, but I don't think we can go back. I think I'll have to be corrected as I go. This is a long, tedious task. If I make a mistake -- like we're at the end now and you're telling me it was paragraph 3, and it's done. If you are following along, if I do make a mistake, I apologize if I do, but if I do, try to get my corrections in.
Ms Lankin: I'll do that.
The Second Deputy Chair: And that is a point of order.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridgetown Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridgetown Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridgeview Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridgeview Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after'" --
Ms Lankin: Point of order, Mr Chair: In paragraph 2, it reads "The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received." You unfortunately did not read the word "that."
The Second Deputy Chair: Oh, okay. I'll go back and get that in. That is a point of order.
"` -- that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
I thank you for the help in going through that. I just want to tell you that I'm trying to go as slowly and carefully as I can. I've gone through 85 amendments, and I'm going through them virtually the same way as I have since 10 after seven. I appreciate your help.
Ms Lankin: But Mr Chair, I actually couldn't hear what you were saying. You know, there is a problem with the sound system. I am actually being very attentive. You said you were trying to go as slowly and carefully as you can. That might debatable, but I am not trying to cause you problems. You are performing at a speed, given how many hours you've been in the chair, that is quite remarkable. But the Hansard record must also be accurate. That is why I have been raising these points.
The Second Deputy Chair: Yes, we have excellent people working for Hansard. I understand they're experienced and trained and taking courses and all that. We'll just have to depend on them to do the best they can, same as you'll do the best you can and same as I'll do the best I can.
Ms Lankin: I believe those people are experienced and do a very, very fine job. However, they cannot record a word that has not been said by the Chair, which is why I draw this to your attention.
Mrs Margaret Marland (Mississauga South): On the same point of order, Mr Chair: I appreciate that the member for Beaches-Woodbine wants the accuracy of the amendments recorded, and with all amendments it's true that there has to be accuracy. Since the only difference between each of these amendments is the name of the street, maybe we could accept that the amendments are all moved with the same wording, the identical wording, and just read into the record all the names of the street. I'm wondering whether the opposition would accept that.
Ms Lankin: No way under the rules of order you can do that.
Mr Len Wood: The Speaker has ruled on that.
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Mrs Marland: Excuse me. I'm not speaking to the member for Cochrane North, I'm speaking to the Chair, and I'm suggesting that any of the rules of order, the standing orders, can be set aside with unanimous consent.
Ms Lankin: Not in committee of the whole House. The Speaker has ruled.
Mrs Marland: Any rules can be with unanimous consent. The point is that I'm asking, I'm suggesting, that today we may decide to read into the record the street names as a part of the ongoing amendments, since every single amendment has the identical wording.
The Second Deputy Chair: On that point of order, yes, that could be accomplished with unanimous consent. If you like, I will ask for that. Is there unanimous consent to dispense with reading of the thing? No, there is not unanimous consent. We will proceed. I will do the very best I can.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridgewater Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridgewater Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridgletowne Circle living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridgletowne Circle living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridgman Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridgman Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridle Heath Gate living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridle Heath Gate living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridletowne Circle living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridletowne Circle living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"
Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Would you ascertain whether or not there is a quorum?
The Second Deputy Chair: Would you please check if there is a quorum present?
Clerk Assistant (Ms Deborah Deller): A quorum is not present, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair ordered the bells rung.
Clerk Assistant: A quorum is now present, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: Thank you.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is defeated.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridlewood Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridlewood Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridley Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridley Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
0900
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridlington Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridlington Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bridport Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bridport Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This item is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brief Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brief Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brigadier Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brigadier Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brigadoon Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brigadoon Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brigham Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brigham Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bright Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bright Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brighton Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brighton Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brighton Crescent'" --
Ms Martel: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I know you're doing the best that you can, but you missed the whole first paragraph that starts, "Public consultation" and lists the street.
The Second Deputy Chair: I missed the whole paragraph? I'm sorry. Can you clear that up for me? I want to know what I missed.
Ms Martel: Mr Speaker, I've been following, and as I read it, you moved right from "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended" right to point number 1, and you missed the whole paragraph dealing with public consultation and the street.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry. I think, with that, I'll start all over again. Would that be okay?
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brighton Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brighton Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
0910
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brightside Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brightside Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a'" --
Mrs Marion Boyd (London Centre): On a point of order, Mr Speaker: You did not read every word of the amendment.
The Second Deputy Chair: What did I miss?
Mrs Boyd: You missed virtually all of ii under number 5.
The Second Deputy Chair: I will read that in -- "`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material," inserted between i and iii -- and, to finish it off, "public hearing should be sent."
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
The First Deputy Chair (Ms Marilyn Churley): For the second time today, I wish people good morning.
We shall begin with NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brightview Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brightview Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Mr Floyd Laughren (Nickel Belt): Point of order.
The First Deputy Chair: Point of order, the member for Nickel Belt.
Mr Bill Murdoch (Grey-Owen Sound): Bail out the NDP --
The First Deputy Chair: The member for Grey-Owen Sound, come to order, please.
Mr Laughren: I have a point of privilege. I think the privileges of the members are in question when what goes on around this place takes an unfair toll on those members. This morning, when the Premier was coming into the Legislature, he was asked by the press why he used similar kinds of tactics as these when in opposition, and he said, and I quote, and this is where the point of privilege comes in: "I tried to make a point that I thought a $10-billion deficit was out of sync with the rest of the country and would lead this province to disaster. It turns out it did. It lead to our election."
I think that indicates that the Premier's privileges must be being abused for it to take that kind of toll upon him.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you. I don't consider that a point of privilege. Thank you anyway.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brightwood Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brightwood Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brill Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brill Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
0920
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brimley Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brimley Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brimorton Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brimorton Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brimstone Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brimstone Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brimroad Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brimroad Boulevard living in the urban area.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Madam Chair: Could you clarify for me? I thought I heard you saying "Brimroad, and it's Brimwood.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you. It's possible I accidentally did that. You're right. To be clear, it is Brimwood Boulevard.
"`...unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brimwood Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed. please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brinloor Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brinloor Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brisbane Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brisbane Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
0930
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brisbourne Grove living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brisbourne Grove living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bristol Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bristol Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Britain Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Britain Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of this committee that the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Britannia Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Britannia Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Britannia Road East living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Britannia Road East living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brittany Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brittany Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
0940
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Britwell Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Britwell Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brixham Terrace living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brixham Terrace living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadbent Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadbent Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadbridge Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadbridge Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadfield Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadfield Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadlands Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadlands Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadleaf Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadleaf Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadmead Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadmead Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadoaks Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadoaks Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadpath Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadpath Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Madam Speaker. I will withdraw the next motion.
The First Deputy Chair: Can you read which one? The one that says "Broadview"?
Mrs Boyd: Broadview.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you. It's withdrawn.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadview Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadview Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
1000
The next motion is identical to the previous motion. Shall I withdraw it?
Mrs Boyd: I withdraw the motion, Madam Speaker. I withdraw the next motion as well. There is no street designation following it.
The First Deputy Chair: So that's the motion with Broadway, right? Broadway will be withdrawn as well.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Broadway Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Broadway Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I wish to withdraw the next two amendments. The first one is a duplication of the one we have just completed, Broadway Avenue.
The First Deputy Chair: Broadway Avenue, correct. That's withdrawn.
Mrs Boyd: The next one has no street designation, and it is Brock.
The First Deputy Chair: That's withdrawn. Thank you.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brock Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brock Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I wish to withdraw the next amendment, which is a duplication of the one we just completed.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you very much. It's withdrawn.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brock Road South living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:'"
Hon Mr Leach: Pretty sloppy work over there.
Mr John Gerretsen (Kingston and The Islands): Don't you talk about sloppy work.
The First Deputy Chair: Member for Kingston and The Islands, come to order.
Mr Gerretsen: I'm in order all the time, Madam Chair.
The First Deputy Chair: Thank you. I'm glad to hear that.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brock Road South living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brockhouse Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brockhouse Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brockington Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brockington Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brockley Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brockley Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brockmount Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brockmount Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brockport Drive in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brockport Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brockton Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brockton Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brome Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brome Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mr Garry J. Guzzo (Ottawa-Rideau): That's far enough. You're seeing double if you saw five.
The First Deputy Chair: Would the member for Ottawa-Rideau come to order, please. You're not in your seat, and heckling is out of order even if you're not in your seat.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bromley Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bromley Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bromton Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bromton Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
Mr Peter Kormos (Welland-Thorold): Hi, guys. Boring, isn't it? They're a bunch of old guys making too much money.
The First Deputy Chair: The member for Welland-Thorold, come to order, please.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Interjections.
Mr Gerretsen: They're waving at him. He has to wave back. They're in the gallery.
The First Deputy Chair: I have to ask the members in the gallery --
Mr Kormos: Bye guys.
The First Deputy Chair: Excuse me, the member for Welland-Thorold. I have to remind the members in the gallery that they're not supposed to, under the rules, wave or give any demonstration of any kind.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brook Tree Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brook Tree Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mr Kormos: Point of order, Chair: I was very concerned this morning, and my concern has perhaps subdued me a little bit, because I note that the Premier this morning on the CBC said that the previous year's deficit budget would lead this province to disaster, and he said -- it turns that it did. It led to the election of the Conservative government. In view of the disaster of this government that the Premier himself identifies, is there something the Chair should be doing to intervene and perhaps call upon resources that aren't available currently?
The First Deputy Chair: This is not a point of order. Thank you.
Mr Kormos: Sorry, Chair.
The First Deputy Chair: I accept your apology.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookbanks Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookbanks Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookbanks Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookbanks Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookdale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookdale Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brooke Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brooke Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookfield Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookfield Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookfield Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookfield Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookhaven Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookhaven Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
Mrs Marland: It's your idea. You're in for it. You.re either in or out.
Interjections.
The First Deputy Chair: Order, please. Member for Mississauga South, come to order. Liberal caucus members, come to order. Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing, come to order. Thank you.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brooklawn Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brooklawn Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brooklyn Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brooklyn Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given."
Mr Gerretsen: You're a champion of your own misery there Al.
The First Deputy Chair: Member for Kingston and The Islands, come to order.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Interjections.
The First Deputy Chair: Would the members come to order, please. Come to order. Thank you. Member for Grey-Owen Sound, come to order.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookmere Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookmere Road living in the urban area."
Interruption.
The First Deputy Chair: Member for Welland-Thorold, please take your seat.
Mr Kormos: We're forming a relationship here, Chair.
The First Deputy Chair: Yes, I see that, but it's out of order, member for Welland-Thorold. Take your seat.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookmill Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookmill Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookmount Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookmount Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookridge Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookridge Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookshire Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookshire Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookside Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookside Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I'd like to withdraw the next amendment, which I believe is a duplication of the one we just completed.
The First Deputy Chair: Okay. That will be withdrawn.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brookside Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brookside Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Browning Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Browning Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I wish to withdraw the next amendment, Browning Island.
The First Deputy Chair: You want that withdrawn? Thank you. It will be withdrawn.
Interjections.
The First Deputy Chair: Member for Mississauga South, come to order, please. Member for London Centre, come to order. Member for Kingston and The Islands, come to order.
Member for Mississauga South, do you have a point of order?
Mrs Marland: Yes. I just wondered, Madam Chair, how it would be that Browning Island, an island on Lake Muskoka, would be included in a list of amendments for a bill dealing with Metropolitan Toronto.
Mrs Boyd: Point of order.
The First Deputy Chair: On the same point? Go ahead.
Mrs Boyd: It is the explanation that the member asked for. There is a Browning Island Road, but because "Road" was not in this motion, it is not an appropriate motion and therefore we are withdrawing it.
The First Deputy Chair: Okay. I want to tell the members that that was actually -- no, wait a minute -- out of order. We have moved beyond the one-hour debate period for debating and questions and comments on these amendments.
Interjections.
The First Deputy Chair: Well, it's a fact under the rules. Let me be clear here: There was a decision that there would be an hour for not debate, but questions and comments on amendments. That hour is used up, and under the rules, questions and comments about these amendments cannot be entertained.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brownlea Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brownlea Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brownlow Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brownlow Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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The Chair (Mr Gilles E. Morin): An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brownridge Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brownridge Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"
I would ask you not to talk louder than myself; otherwise, I can't hear myself. It's a simple as that. Those are important amendments, and I think everybody should listen to them attentively.
Interjection.
The Chair: The member for Welland-Thorold, that applies to you too.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Interjection.
The Chair: The member for Kingston and The Islands, I don't want to warn you all the time. Please.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Browns Line living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Browns Line living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.'"
Interjections.
The Chair: I would ask your cooperation. If you want to talk, you can go outside the House, feel free to do so, but in the House you have to respect the procedure. You have to respect the dignity of the House, please.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brownspring Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brownspring Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brownville Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brownville Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Browside Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Browside Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brubeck Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brubeck Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Chair: The next amendment, which says Bruce Beach and does not have a designation of street is being withdrawn.
The Chair: Okay, withdrawn.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bruce Farm Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bruce Farm Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bruce Park Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bruce Park Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bruce Street living'" -- if you want to exchange words, I would ask you to do it outside the House. It's as simple as that; please respect that -- "`in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bruce Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brucedale Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brucedale Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brucewood Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brucewood Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Chair: The next amendment says "Brule Crescent" and it's a duplication of the following one, so I'm withdrawing one.
The Chair: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brule Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brule Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brule Gardens living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brule Gardens living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brule Lakeway living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brule Lakeway living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brule Terrace living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brule Terrace living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brumell Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brumell Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brumwell Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brumwell Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brunner Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brunner Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bruno Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bruno Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brunswick Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brunswick Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Mr Rosario Marchese (Fort York): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I would like to withdraw the motion that we are about to deal with. It's a duplication of the one we just dealt with.
The Chair: Brunswick Avenue?
Mr Marchese: Yes.
The Chair: An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brushwood Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brushwood Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brussels Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brussels Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brussels Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brussels Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay."
Failure of sound system.
The Chair: NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bruton Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bruton Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bryant Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bryant Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bryant Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bryant Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bryce Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bryce Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brycemoor Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brycemoor Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brydon Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brydon Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brynhurst Court in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brynhurst Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Brynston Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Brynston Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bucannan Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bucannan Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Interjections.
The Chair: Okay. Enough with personal comments.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buchan Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buchan Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buck Lake living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buck Lake living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." I can't hear. All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. I declare the motion lost.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Speaker. We are sorry that we confused you. We missed a withdrawal and we realized that was the only way to have the motion defeated.
The Chair: So I was right to be confused?
Mrs Boyd: Yes, you were.
The Chair: NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buckhorn Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buckhorn Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buckhurst Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buckhurst Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buckingham Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buckingham Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buckingham Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buckingham Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buckingham Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buckingham Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"
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Mr Tony Silipo (Dovercourt): Mr Chair, on a point of order: I'm sorry to interrupt you in reading the amendment, but I believe that a quorum isn't present.
The Chair: Would you please verify if there is a quorum.
Clerk at the Table (Mr Todd Decker): A quorum is not present, Chair.
The Chair ordered the bells rung.
Clerk at the Table: A quorum is now present, Chair.
The Chair: "`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy'" --
The member for Welland-Thorold, you're not allowed to speak to anyone in the gallery.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buckland Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buckland Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buckley Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buckley Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Mr Tony Martin (Sault Ste Marie): On a point of order --
The Chair: Point of order related to --
Mr Martin: No, but I don't believe there is a quorum present.
The Chair: Would you please verify if there is a quorum.
Clerk at the Table: A quorum is not present, Chair.
The Chair ordered the bells rung.
Clerk at the Table: A quorum is now present, Chair.
Interjections.
The Chair: There will be no exchange between members across the floor. If you want to exchange words, I would ask, I would prefer that you do it outside of the House.
Mrs Marland: If I leave the House, Mr Chair, there won't be a quorum.
The Chair: That doesn't mean that you are allowed to speak out loud to other members across the floor. There are certain rules in the House that have to be followed.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bucksburn living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied'" --
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Because there is not a street designation with this, we will withdraw this motion.
The Chair: NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bucksburn Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bucksburn Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"
Interjections.
The Chair: Conversation in the House should not be louder than the Chair.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill'" --
Interjections.
The Chair: Would you please keep your conversation down. There's no debate.
Interjections.
The Chair: The member for Sault Ste Marie.
Mr Martin: On a point of order, Mr Chair --
The Chair: On a point of order on the amendment; otherwise, I don't listen to any point of order.
Mr Martin: The member across the way invited me to say publicly what I've been saying --
The Chair: That's not a point of order. You are out of order.
Interjection.
The Chair: Would you like me to name you?
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buddleswood Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buddleswood Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"
Mr Bisson: On a point of order --
The Chair: On a point of order on the amendment.
Mr Bisson: I believe we don't have a quorum.
The Chair: Could you please check if we have a quorum.
Clerk at the Table: A quorum is not present, Chair.
The Chair ordered the bells rung.
Clerk at the Table: A quorum is now present, Chair.
The Chair: We'll now continue reading the amendment.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bude Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bude Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Budea Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Budea Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Budgell Terrace living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Budgell Terrace living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Budworth Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Budworth Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buena Vista Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buena Vista Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bufflaw Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bufflaw Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bugle Hill Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bugle Hill Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bulbourne Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bulbourne Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buller Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buller Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
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Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bulwer Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bulwer Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bunnell Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bunnell Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bunty Lane living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bunty Lane living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bur Oak Way living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bur Oak Way living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bur Oakway living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied -- "
Mrs Boyd: They're spelled differently.
The Chair: It appeared to be the same.
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bur Oakway living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bur Oakway living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burbage Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burbage Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burbank Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burbank Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burchell Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burchell Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Mr Rick Bartolucci (Sudbury): On a point of order, Mr Chair: It has come to my attention, and I'd like the indulgence of the members who are here, that today will be the last day for the pages.
I think in these days and these hours of division and dissension, maybe we can come to some type of unanimous consent that we congratulate the pages on doing a very excellent job. I think we should congratulate them for their dedication to the task. I think we should congratulate them for their maturity and for the example they set for the other students in Ontario.
Interjection.
Mr Bartolucci: I think it has to do with amendments; it has to do with every amendment that we've debated over the course of the last several hours and every bill that we've debated over the last several weeks. I think it has everything to do with recognizing that these pages came to us in very unusual times and that they're leaving us in very unusual times.
I know for a fact that the page from Sudbury, Aimee Leonard, was certainly a credit to her parents, to her community, to her school of St Raphael, and I'm sure that every other page was a credit to their parents and their community and their school. I would hope that everyone would say thank you to the pages. Good luck. Bring back the memories to your fellow students and encourage those in grades junior kindergarten to grade 6 to work towards achieving the average necessary so that they too can apply for the page program. I want to thank you very much.
The Chair: The member for Welland-Thorold.
Mr Kormos: A somewhat novel point of order for which the Chair has shown great indulgence.
I join the member for Sudbury, and indeed I know I speak on behalf of all the New Democrats here: We've seen a whole lot of groups of pages here at Queen's Park over the years, and you are as fine and bright and capable a group of pages as has come through here. We want you to know that, and we want you to know that we've enjoyed your company. More than a few of us have learned probably more from you than, regrettably, you may have learned from us. You are as valuable to the members here as the experience hopefully is for you.
So as you go home to your communities -- I know some folks are only going as far as Yonge and Finch; others are going across all of Ontario -- we hope you recall these weeks here at Queen's Park with some fondness and with great insights that you've acquired into the strange and bizarre political groundwork that exists here in the province of Ontario.
The other interesting thing I want to mention to you is that we've seen governments change helter-skelter, government after government. We have no doubt that more than a few of us, in relatively short order -- seven, eight, nine, 10, maybe 15 years -- are going to be reading about some of you here at Queen's Park and hoping that you've learned from the mistakes you've seen being made at Queen's Park during the course of your time here. We're looking forward to reading about you in the papers, looking forward to the filibusters you conduct, looking forward to points of order, looking forward to grandiose and flamboyant and sometimes not-quite-on-the-mark speeches, but effective none the less.
Thank you kindly to the pages. God bless you.
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Mr David Turnbull (York Mills): On behalf of the Conservative caucus, I would certainly like to join in congratulating the pages and thanking them for their hard work. You've been here in interesting times. As that great British parliamentarian Winston Churchill remarked about democracy, as to what an awful thing it was, he said it's still better than all of the alternatives.
As you go back to your schools, I hope you take warm memories of what's happened here, some of the crazy things you've seen, the crazy things that go on in question period and in filibusters. It's all part of a process which makes Canada a strong, vital, free place in the world that's still the best place to live.
We expect to see you back again in years to come as perhaps members here or staff in the Legislature. Indeed, many of the staff who work for our government started here as pages and have warm memories, and from time to time as I go around this province, I meet people who say, "I worked as a page in Queen's Park," and they always look back with great interest. Hopefully it has sparked your interest in the parliamentary process, which is very vital. It makes sure that everybody in this great province of ours has a say from all of the spectrums of opinion.
You'll never, ever get everybody agreeing on any issue, but I want you to go away with the memory that, at the end of the day, all of the people who sit in this assembly in all of the parties go out of the door and usually have a good word for one another. Some of the theatricals don't perhaps show that on television, but you've seen the warm discussions that occur, and I hope you take that back to your schools and remind the other students that perhaps they could come here some day and perhaps experience what you have. We congratulate you.
The Chair: I would just like to add on my comments too. I envy them who are going home. I'd like to go home too. So we'll continue the amendments.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burdock Lane living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burdock Lane living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
The Second Deputy Chair: NDP Motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burford Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burford Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
Mr Martin: Chair, on a point of order: With all due respect, I really can't follow you. We went through this all day yesterday and I really don't want to start this again. And you'll remember that last night I said some kind words to you because you did slow down and we appreciated it. This may not be, to some folks, as serious as it is to others, but it's certainly really serious to us, and we're getting calls from folks out there who are having a hard time following this when you're in the chair, because they tell us you're moving too quickly. Would you kindly slow it down a tad so we can follow? Thank you.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is a point of order, and I've ruled on it before. I'm not about to do it again. If you would like to appeal it to the Speaker, I'm willing to do that, and by all means I'll accommodate --
Mr Bud Wildman (Algoma): We don't want to carry it that far.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. I want the member for Algoma to come to order and listen. I've ruled on it before. I'm slowing down. I'd like to expedite things. I know you have an interest in seeing me go as slowly as possible, but I would like to expedite it. It's a boring thing, reading 103 identical motions in the two-hour turn that I'm here. I'm trying to do the best I can, but if I am confronted with a lot of frivolous points of order that I deem might be critical of the way I'm doing my job, then I'm afraid one of us will have to leave. Am I making myself clear?
Mr Martin: Then Chair, respectfully --
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry. This is not debate. Please take your seat.
The Chair recognizes the member for Mississauga South.
Mrs Marland: Chair, for the sake of the record in responding to this point of order, I want to say that there is nothing in our standing orders that deals with the speed of anyone speaking. With the fact that every single one of these amendments is exactly the same wording except for the name of the street, there is no need for anyone to argue that they can't translate quickly enough. I heard that argument yesterday from the third party, which, personally, I think is an insult to our translators. They can translate quickly, especially when we're now on our third day of reading the same thing, so obviously they already have the translation into French in their head.
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The only thing that is new in every single one of these amendments is the street, the road, the identity of the road. I notice, Chair, that you do pause when saying the road name, so all of this business about people phoning in, in my respectful submission, is not something that you as Chair should be concerned with. I encourage you to read as quickly as you can for the sake of all of us.
The Second Deputy Chair: Thank you very much. That is not a point of order.
Mr Dominic Agostino (Hamilton East): On the same point of order, Chair: I agree with the point made by the member of the NDP. There are people watching at home, despite the fact that the government members want to go home. The reality is that this is part of the process, and you should show some fairness to the people who are watching at home, who may be tuning in from time to time.
Last night, I agree, you did a great job. It was at a good pace and there were no complaints. We are now back into mega-speed again with your reading. I don't agree with the concept that we need to get through this as fast as possible so you must read at 200 miles an hour. I think there's a level of reasonableness in going at a pace that people can understand. Chair, I urge you to do that, with all due respect. We're not in a race here. It's not a 100-yard dash. People watching at home or sitting here need to understand the proceedings, and frankly I don't when we go that fast.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is a point of order --
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: If the member from Hamilton East wants to raise points of order, then you will listen when I am responding.
I have timed myself reading this motion. I've timed it quite a few times. I see absolutely no reason why this motion cannot be read in one minute. That would mean that I should be able to do 120 of these during my two-hour shift. I have not achieved that yet. The best I have ever done is 103 -- that was the last shift -- and before that, 92. Part of the reason is because of the interruptions I incur. We have already now absorbed about 12, so we've lost that time.
I'd like to remind you that it is not as simple a thing as that I am racing. This is the speed that I read. I don't always read out loud; sometimes I read silently. I can't do that in this case, so I am trying to do the absolute best I can. I don't want to interpret some of your points of order as being frivolous or vexatious, towards me in particular or the Chair in general. I do think this is reasonable, to read this in 60 seconds.
The Chair recognizes the member for Algoma.
Mr Wildman: I just want to say there's nothing personal at all --
The Second Deputy Chair: No. I'm sorry. You can't just get up and talk. If you are rising, I will have to know why you're up.
Mr Wildman: I was getting up to be supportive of you, sir.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry, you can't do that, and someone who has been in this House as much as you have should know that.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burgess Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burgess Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall'" --
Mr Bisson: Point of order.
The Second Deputy Chair: The Chair recognizes the member for Cochrane South on a point of order.
Mr Bisson: I am just trying to assist you. I was watching very intently and I was listening. On this point of order, point 3, you missed the last two lines of point 3, from "held" down to "hearing."
The Second Deputy Chair: Which one are you on?
Mr Bisson: I'm on the amendment that you are on now.
The Second Deputy Chair: What's the name of the street, please?
Mr Bisson: The name of the street is --
The Second Deputy Chair: No. On your sheet there, please.
Mr Bisson: Burgess Avenue. On the third point, you missed, after the comma, "a public hearing has been held," and that needs to be read into the record.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm very sorry if I've missed something.
Mr Bisson: I realize that. I'm just helping.
The Second Deputy Chair: It happens when you go that fast.
-- "`a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burgundy Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burgundy Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burin Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burin Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing -- '"
Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: On the amendment for Burin Court you missed, and I know it's because you stopped at one point -- after you read "Public consultations," second sentence, "area shall be," you missed the three or four words that follow and I need them read into the record.
The Second Deputy Chair: I don't think so, and I don't think that's a point of order if I did not miss them. So that is not a point of order.
Mr Bisson: Okay. Thank you very much.
The Second Deputy Chair: -- "`within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burke Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burke Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burkston Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burkston Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
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Mr Wildman: Point of order, Mr Chair: I would like to bring to your attention that we have not only been getting faxes and calls from people who are complaining about the speed with which you are reading, but we have been getting a number of congratulatory ones about the whole process in demonstrating that the opposition can stand up for democracy against the government.
The Second Deputy Chair: I quite understand. I have as well.
Mr Bisson: Point of order, Mr Chair: I just would like to point this out because you might not have noticed, but it's past 1:30 of the clock on Friday, which means we've gone past the date that the government had set out to deal with this legislation. I think this is a momentous occasion, and members of the House, I'm sure, want to congratulate the opposition party for the fine work it's doing on behalf of the people of the city of Toronto and the people of Ontario on Bill 103.
Mrs Marland: On the same point of order --
The Second Deputy Chair: No, I'm sorry. I want to rule on this first. That is not a point of order. Self-congratulations in this House are not points of order.
Mrs Marland: Mr Chair, on a point of order: I think it's very interesting, the comments that have just been put on the record and on television and on our parliamentary channel --
Mr Agostino: Bunch of dictators.
The Second Deputy Chair: You're out of order.
Mrs Marland: Whether or not you have succeeded in not having our legislation through this week, be assured, I say to every member of the opposition, that every government bill we wish to see pass will be passed in the form that represents the majority of the interests of the people of this province.
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. I am warning the member for Algoma that you have stood up and you have taken somebody else's place, and I will not warn you again. I will be naming the member for Algoma if he does not take his seat.
I want to address this. Members of this House have stood up and interjected themselves into some sort of talking and shouting and yelling when other members have stood and tried to be recognized by this Chair. I will not tolerate it. This Chair will not tolerate it. This Legislature shouldn't have to tolerate it.
Mr Gerry Martiniuk (Cambridge): On a point of order, Mr Chair: The member for Hamilton has corrected it by removing himself from the front bench and placing himself in his proper seat.
Mr James J. Bradley (St Catharines): Point of order, Mr Chair: I want to be helpful to the Chair. I hope that members of the Legislature will allow you to carry on with your responsibilities of reading these into the record because it's very important that we proceed as expeditiously as possible with all of these amendments.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order.
Is it the wish of this committee that the motion carry?
Mr Bisson: Point of order, Mr Chair: When I raised the point of order at the beginning, and the member for Algoma, you were at point ii, and you're asking us now to vote on an amendment and you haven't read the last two points.
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to be very clear about this: I did not mark where I stopped. I asked the clerk at the table where I left off, and he told me I was about to make the vote on it and that I had finished "sent." If you're going to bring a point of order, I would like it to have some basis of fact so that we can get on with things.
I want you to realize that I don't just do this job willy-nilly and try to miss things and so on. If I do, it's completely inadvertent, but I do take some help -- I need it -- not always in the best of ways, but we'll do it.
Mr Wildman: You ruled me out of order.
The Second Deputy Chair: You were. And you are.
Is it the wish of the committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burkwood Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burkwood Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burleigh Heights Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burleigh Heights Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burley Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burley Avenue living in the urban area.'"
Mr Martin: Point of order, Mr Chair: I'm continuing to have a difficult time following what you're doing. You had suggested earlier that you were going to slow down a tad. I ask you now what street you're on, if you would, so that I could cooperate with you here this afternoon. At least slow down on the street names.
The Second Deputy Chair: Burley Avenue, B-u-r-l-e-y A-v-e-n-u-e.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"
Mr Martin: What street are you on?
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm on Queen's Park avenue and I'm reading from the one on Burley Avenue. It's spelled B-u-r-l-e-y A-v-e-n-u-e.
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"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burlingame Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burlingame Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burlington Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied -- '"
Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I think I heard "section 23"; you should have said "24." I think you were confused. You read it a bit quickly there. It should have been, "I move that section 24...." You said "23." I wouldn't want the record to show the wrong section. I'm sure it was an oversight on your part. I'm just correcting --
The Second Deputy Chair: If I did, I'm very sorry, but I have read out "section 24" several hundred times, so I doubt that I would make that kind of mistake.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burlington Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burlington Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice'" --
I'm having difficulty hearing. Can you make sure that whatever banging is going on is stopped?
"` -- of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burlington Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4'" --
Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'm sure it's because you were distracted, but I believe you missed subparagraph i, if you could. I'm just trying to be helpful here. I think you got distracted when you called to find out what the noise was and you skipped subparagraph i.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,'" before ii,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is defeated.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burma Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burma Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Mr Richard Patten (Ottawa Centre): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I just had a call from staff in my office who were contacted saying that reading so quickly makes it very difficult for closed captioning to be able to keep up with you; they're finding it very difficult to do so. Those people who have hearing impairments can't follow along with what you're saying.
The Second Deputy Chair: I see. I do have a concern about French translation and Hansard and, of course, closed captioning, and I have slowed down quite a bit. I've only done 13 over a half an hour; I really have slowed down. I'll do the best I can, but I appreciate the concern you have. I'm not sure it is a point of order, though.
Hon Mr Tsubouchi: I certainly have heard a lot of what the members have been raising in terms of points of order. It strikes me that these have been really needlessly repetitious; they are currently raising the same point that has been decided by the present Chair several times. I would suggest, Mr Chair, that when this matter comes up in the future perhaps the members who make the same repetitious point again be called to order by the Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: It is a concern. I want to be fair and reasonable. I want to make sure that everybody has an opportunity to hear everything that is said and I want them to understand and to have heard every word in every one of these 8,000 identical motions. Thank you. I'm not sure that is a point of order, though.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burmont Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burmont Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
The Chair recognizes the minister on a point of order.
Hon Mr Tsubouchi: On a point of order, Mr Chair. Further to my previous point I was making, Mr Chair, I draw your attention to section 23(c) of the standing orders, which indicates that when a member persists in needless repetition or raises matters that have been decided during the current session, they can be called to order. So certainly you do have that power, sir.
The Second Deputy Chair: Thanks very much for pointing that out.
I wanted to address my ruling to the member representing Markham. I appreciate the information and so on and I'm studying it. I appreciate it and I will do the absolute best I can.
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Mr Martin: On that same point of order, Mr Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: No. I'm not willing to take any more on the same point of order. If you have a point of order, I'll hear it, but I will not take the same point of order. That would be debate. I'm sure you wouldn't want to disobey the rules of the committee of the whole by entering into debate.
Mr Martin: But I want to make a point.
The Second Deputy Chair: You're standing up. Why are you standing, please?
Mr Martin: It's a point of privilege.
The Second Deputy Chair: You're standing on a point of privilege?
Mr Martin: Yes, I am.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'd like to know the point of privilege, please.
Mr Martin: Chair, I come here at great expense to the taxpayers of this province to represent my constituents, to do my job, to participate in the proceeding. Now, you may not find that --
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: I want you to address your comments to me. I'm trying to get this point of privilege.
Mr Martin: You may not find that an important matter and it may not be serious to you; it may be funny in fact.
The Second Deputy Chair: Please address --
Interjections.
Mr Martin: We come here --
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. Please take your seat. I want to be very clear about this. It is part of my job to protect the privilege of every member of this Legislature, but when I'm hearing a member speak on privilege, then he has to talk to me, because other than that, I think that he might be debating with members of the party across from him. So if you would address the Chair on your privilege.
Mr Martin: One of the privileges, Chair, in coming to this place is to be respected by my colleagues and not to be laughed at when I get up and speak on a point of privilege and to ask to be heard.
Chair, I come here at great expense to the taxpayers to represent my constituents, to participate in the proceedings of this place.
The Second Deputy Chair: What's your privilege?
Mr Martin: In order to be able to participate in the proceedings, I need to be able to hear everything and to understand everything. I have to tell you, each time that you are in the Chair and I've been here when you've been in the Chair on a number of occasions over the last few days, I cannot do that. I suggest to you that in order for me to also work with my constituents out there who may want to talk to me about this, either by phone or when I go back to my riding or in person, that they need to hear what you're saying too, they need to be able to understand what it is you're saying, the amendments that you're putting on the record so that we can all participate.
I suggest to you, in respect to the point of order that was made by the member for Markham, that in fact these are legitimate points of privilege and order and you have not responded to them in a way that is helping me participate in the proceedings of this place in the way that I would want to given the great responsibility that comes with this job. As we stand here, because the government will not withdraw this bill, it is costing us a lot of money.
The Second Deputy Chair: Member for Sault Ste Marie, I'm addressing your point of privilege. It's my job to make sure that everybody can hear and I'll do the very best I can. There are earphones provided. You might want to put that on, you might want to turn it up. We have the volume done as well as we can, apparently, here. But if you use that earphone, turn the volume up, then it might help you hear better.
Mr Martin: Point of order.
The Second Deputy Chair: No. Your point was that you couldn't hear. I think that I'm addressing that.
Mr Martin: But Chair, I need to clarify for you once again that it has nothing to do with the volume or with anybody else talking here. It has everything to do with the speed at which you are reading these particular amendments.
Hon Janet Ecker (Minister of Community and Social Services): You have to listen.
Mr Martin: I am listening. Are you listening? Can you hear what he's saying?
The Second Deputy Chair: I have endeavoured to do the very best I can that way to accommodate the member for Sault Ste Marie. I think you ought to take some of those suggestions that I have given under consideration as well. But that is my ruling. If you'd like to appeal to the Speaker, then you may.
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: Just give him a minute. I want to know if he does or not. Would you like to appeal?
Mr Martin: Out of respect to yourself and the Chair, I will not do that. But I just ask you to please respect me and my needs.
The Second Deputy Chair: No, I don't want to debate it. I just want to know if you want to appeal it or not.
Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Chair: I want to draw your attention to the standing orders, section 13(a). Section 13(a) reads:
"The Speaker shall preserve order and decorum, and shall decide questions of privilege and points of order. In making" -- and this is the crucial part -- "a decision on a question of privilege or point of order or explaining a practice, the Speaker may state the applicable standing order or authority."
Just recently the member for Markham raised a point of order concerning section 23(a), which reads, "In debate, a member shall be called to order by the Speaker if he or she: (a) speaks twice to a question, except in explanation of a material part," and it goes on.
The point I'm making is this: You were asked by the member for Markham to rule on a point of order that we were raising matters twice and that was out of order. You came back and didn't really give us a decision as to your interpretation of the standing orders. The standing orders are quite clear. If you tell us that you're not going to do something, you've got to tell us why. The point I'm getting at is that in this particular section --
The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat.
Mr Bisson: There's one part that I need to finish so that you can understand where I'm going. Section 23 refers to specifically members cannot speak twice during debate. In other words, if I rise in debate in the House when we're at second or third reading, I'm only allowed as a member to speak once. We are now in committee of the whole and a member can get up on as many points of order or privilege that he or she chooses or may speak on a number of occasions to the issue at committee at the whole. I thought your answer was lacking in what the standing orders are all about and I'd ask you to please explain --
The Second Deputy Chair: The point I ruled was not on speaking twice on a thing, so that is right off the wall. I'm sorry. The other one was --
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: The other thing is that the Speaker may; the word "may" doesn't make it obligatory, and in this case, I chose not to.
Mr Bisson: On a point of privilege, Chair: We're supposed as members to have respect for each other. That means to say I am to respect you as the Chair, but you are to respect us as members. Earlier the member rose on a point of order having to do with section 23, which says we cannot get up and speak on a matter twice. You, as Chair, have just responded that I was off the wall for having mentioned what the member for Markham has raised. That is not showing respect to me as a member, and I would ask you to withdraw that comment.
The Second Deputy Chair: Just a minute. I want to be very clear on this. I will not have the Chair challenged. If you wish, you may appeal it to the Speaker. The other thing is that I will make the rulings. With all due respect, I try to be fair and reasonable, but if you don't agree with them -- I'll do the very best I can but I can't be perfect, and you may appeal that to the Speaker. Would you like to appeal it to the Speaker? Just yes or no.
Mr Bisson: With respect to you in the chair, no, I will not challenge this to the Speaker, but I ask you out of respect to respect me as a member as well. I'm trying to do that for you.
The Second Deputy Chair: I would like to address, just for a second, if I can, that respect. Respect, of course, is something that is earned and I try to give every member of this chamber the respect they deserve. If I fall a little bit short -- one of the ways I might fall a little short is if I was interrupted in one of my addresses and comments -- but if I fall a little bit short, then I would have to apologize for that. But if you have some comments about the ability of this Chair to operate, please either make them clear or appeal my rulings.
Mr Bisson: I will withdraw.
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Mr Silipo: On a point of order, Chair: I just seek some clarification from you. I think I have it as a result of the last exchange, but I just want to be very clear. I will be very brief. In answering the point that you did, that Mr Tsubouchi raised around the applicability of standing order 23(c), which I think is the point that he was making, am I understanding correctly that when you said that was under consideration -- I think that is the phrase that you used or words to that effect -- that you had that under consideration?
The Second Deputy Chair: No.
Mr Silipo: No? Well, then if you could clarify that for me. But was that with respect to the points of order that were being raised? Is that the repetitious point, the argument that was being made? Was it about that?
The Second Deputy Chair: You'll have to be a little bit more specific. I have trouble just understanding exactly the question that I'm supposed to answer and I'm not answering the question.
Mr Silipo: I'll try again, sir. You dealt with the point of order the Mr Tsubouchi raised with you. I tried at that point to stand up and get your attention to understand what your ruling was because I didn't understand it, so perhaps I could just put it that way. Could you tell me what your ruling is with respect to that point and what does it apply to? I'm not arguing the point. I just did not understand what it applied to.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'll try to get a copy of that for you, if you would like. It will be recorded and you can take it from there, but at this point I do not want to be repetitious and go back over all the points of order that I've made rulings on and so on. I've had at least two or three rulings since then and I'm sorry, it's not in my mind now to explain that to you.
Mr Silipo: All right. Okay.
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: No, you can get that from the information available to you. That would be Hansard or those sorts of things.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnaby Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnaby Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee this motion carry? All those in favour of the motion "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnage Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnage Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee this motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burncrest Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burncrest Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burndale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister shall have given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burndale Avenue living in the urban area.'"
Mr Bisson: Point of order, Mr Chair: I believe you're on an NDP amendment that's concerning Burndale Avenue. You read: "The minister shall have given notice." My amendment reads: "The minister has given notice." Am I correct or is yours different? You said, "shall have given notice," and I'm wondering if there's a difference in the amendments. On point 1: "The minister has given notice." You read, "shall have given notice." Is ours different?
The Second Deputy Chair: What is your point of order?
Mr Bisson: The point of order is that we have 8,000 similar amendments to which you have duplicate copies from us. I am following the amendments for the NDP caucus closely. You read: "The minister shall have given notice." My paper says: "The minister has given notice." I am wondering, is there a difference in what's written on your paper, or did you just misread it?
The Second Deputy Chair: So you're saying that I read the wrong word in it.
Mr Bisson: Yes, "shall have given notice."
The Second Deputy Chair: I apologize. What can I do to fix that for you?
Mr Bisson: No, but the point of order is, is my amendment different from yours? Does yours read, "The minister has given notice"?
The Second Deputy Chair: I don't know. The one that I'm reading here is the one that we're going to pass this morning, or afternoon, or whenever today is.
Mr Bisson: But the point of order -- please help me. Could you just read the first part of paragraph 1 and if it's different, then I know we have a problem. If it's not then there was an error on your part, which I understand. That happens.
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to be very clear and I want to be very reasonable. I'll read that part again from mine and if you have trouble, put the hearing device on, and that's great.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burndale Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Mr Bisson: My apologies.
The Second Deputy Speaker: Yes, it's distressing for me to make mistakes. I have to concentrate on every one of the exact same 250 words in this motion as the other ones and when you are raising points of order with me and asking me to re-read sections and then you talk constantly when I am reading, so loud that you're interrupting me, I'd ask for your apology please.
Mr Bisson: I do offer my apology. I was responding to a question from the Conservative bench and I shouldn't have done that. I apologize.
The Second Deputy Chair: Thank you.
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnelm Drive living in the urban area may be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come'" --
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Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Chair: Again, I'm beginning to believe that there's a difference in the amendments that you have and we have because in mine Burnelm Drive reads, "living in the urban area `shall' be made." You said "may." There's a difference in legislation between "shall" and "may." Yours says "may," which means it's permissive; mine says "shall," which means it's directive. Is there a difference with yours, or again, you went a little bit too fast and you missed?
The Second Deputy Chair: There's absolutely no difference in mine. Mine says "shall."
Mr Bisson: Okay, so you made a mistake.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnelm Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of the committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnett Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnett Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnett Avenue" -- what's the name on that one? A question to the NDP caucus, if I could: I have two identical ones in front of me.
Mr Bisson: No, actually, the first amendment is Burnett Avenue, where you're at now. The next one is Burnfield Avenue and the third one after is Burnham Road.
The Second Deputy Chair: No, I don't like to contradict you, but I have two in front of me that say "Burnett Avenue."
Mr Bisson: Do that again. I might be in error, Chair. You might be perfectly right. Tell me again.
The Second Deputy Chair: In this case, I don't think there's any question about it.
Mr Bisson: You are right, Chair. You are perfectly correct. I would ask for unanimous consent that we withdraw the second amendment of Burnett Avenue.
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: There is not unanimous consent. It is being ruled out of order.
Mr Silipo: Point of order, Chair: I believe the practice we've used before is that if we, as the movers, withdraw it, then I believe the practice is you simply withdraw it.
The Second Deputy Chair: You're partially right. My recollection of it was that if I had not started to read it, then it was withdrawn. After I'd started to read it, then it had to --
Mr Silipo: Right, and in this case you had not in fact started to read it; you had simply brought it to our attention that were two copies of the same one. You had not started to read it.
The Second Deputy Chair: I thought I got right down to Burnett Avenue.
Mr Silipo: No, you simply took the two sheets and said to us there are two copies. You said you'd like to draw it to the attention of the NDP caucus.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'll check that. I always stand corrected, but I don't think that I would have seen that it was the same name until I'd got down to it.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnfield Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnfield Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnham Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnham Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnhamhall Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnhamhall Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall'" --
Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Chair: I may stand to be corrected here, but I believe that somehow you skipped 1 and 2, "The minister has given," and "The minister has considered," or is that my error? I think you skipped those two.
The Second Deputy Chair: The best information I have is that it's your mistake.
Mr John R. Baird (Nepean): On a point of order, Chair: The member opposite gets up on the same point of order time and time again. It costs hundreds of dollars and thousands of dollars cumulated over all the points of order he's raised over the last number of months. According to the Toronto Sun, the mega-stall costs us $10,000 an hour, an outrageous waste of the taxpayers' money. If it's in the Toronto Sun, it must be true.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order. Please take your seat. As you're aware, you can't use props or signs within this chamber.
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnhamill Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnhamill Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnhamthorpe Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnhamthorpe Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnhamthorpe Park Blvd living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnhamthorpe Park Blvd living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"
Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Just to correct you, it's not Burnhamthorpe Park Road; it's Park Boulevard. The next one is Road; this one's Park.
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to be very clear. Mine says "Burnhamthorpe Park Blvd."
Mr Bisson: That's Boulevard, yes. But you said "Road."
The Second Deputy Chair: I don't want to argue; I don't want to get into debate. I want to give you a ruling on your point of order, please. If you take your seat, I'll do that.
Mine says "Blvd": B-l-v-d. If it were a short form, it would have a period after it. Short form for "Boulevard" is "Blvd."
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"
And anybody who was taught English in Algoma would know that.
M. Bisson : Monsieur le Président, j'étais aux écoles catholiques françaises en Ontario, et j'ai pris l'anglais comme tout le monde d'autre. La dernière fois que j'ai vu blvd, c'était blvd avec un point ou pas de point. Merci.
The Second Deputy Chair: My ruling is that "Blvd" is B-l-v-d. The short form for "Boulevard" is "Blvd." If you would like to challenge that ruling, then we'll do that.
Mr Bisson: No, I do not, Speaker Webster.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
It is the request of this committee that this motion carry? All in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnhamthorpe Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnhamthorpe Road Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnhill Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnhill Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnley Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnley Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnside Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied.'"
Mr Wildman: On a point of order, Chair: I don't think there's a quorum present.
The Second Deputy Chair: Would you like me to check for you?
Mr Wildman: If you could find the time.
The Second Deputy Chair: No, it isn't a matter of time. I assume that you're asking me to, but I want to be sure. Would you check and see if there's a quorum present, please?
Clerk of the Table (Mr Todd Decker): A quorum is present.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnside Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnt Bark Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnt Bark Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnt Log Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnt Log Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnt Meadoway living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnt Meadoway living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burnview Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied.
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burnview Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.
Mrs Marland: There's only four up.
The Second Deputy Chair: This vote stands deferred.
Interjection.
Mrs Marland: Yes, you can because it's a voice vote. How many times do we have to explain this to you?
The Second Deputy Chair: Order.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burr Avenue living in the urban area'" --
Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Chair: My colleague from Sault Ste Marie raised what was a valid point of order that the member for Mississauga South is voting not in her seat and you allowed it to carry on and I don't think that's right. The standing orders are very clear. You must raise points of order in your seat and you must vote from within your seat, both voice votes and standing votes. I would ask you to make sure that the members follow what is in the standing orders.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order.
Mr Bisson: Hold it. First of all --
The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order. Do you want a ruling on it?
"`...in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation'" --
Mr Bisson: On a point of privilege, Chair: Section 21, when it comes to privilege, section (a), I will read: "Privileges are the rights enjoyed by the House collectively and by the members of the House individually conferred by the Legislative Assembly Act and other statutes, or by practice, precedent, usage and custom," which the standing orders are referred to.
I previously got up and I asked on a point of order that the member for Mississauga South vote from her seat and you're saying we don't have to follow the standing orders, if I understand your ruling. Does that mean to say now when we're voting, as the Chair, you will allow us to vote wherever we want? I can go to any seat I want, I can vote from there, I can stand from there and divide from there? If those are the rules, I need to know, but you can't have rules changing every 30 minutes around this place. That's why we took many years to write the standing orders, so that we can have some order about how we do things here.
Would you please rule: Where can I vote from? I've heard three different versions. The standing orders say you must vote from your seat both when it comes to a voice vote and when you stand to divide. You ruled in another case it's okay, we have voice votes standing anywhere in the House. On other occasions you said you can raise points of order anywhere in the House and in other cases you said you can stand and divide anywhere in the House; and now -- on the count, I don't know where you're at -- could you please clarify what your ruling is? I mean that in all respect. I'm not challenging the Chair, I want to be clear, I just want you to tell us where you're at at this point.
Mrs Marland: On the same point of order, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: Just a moment, please. I want to rule on this because I have to go back too.
First of all, I want to contradict you on the last five or six statements that you made. The other one is, of course you're familiar with those standing orders because you're referring to them and reading them. They have not changed and they won't change and they never have changed. But I think the problem here is you don't understand my ruling on the point of order prior to your point of privilege. I'm assuming that, so I want to clear that up and I want to make it very clear. When you stood up on a point of order, you said in connection with the point of order from the member for Sault Ste Marie and the member for Sault Ste Marie was standing, unrecognized by this Chair, talking with the member about whether or not he should be standing, and that's my ruling on that. Now that you understand that and you understand the standing orders, are we ready to proceed?
Mr Bisson: Mr Chair --
The Second Deputy Chair: No, I'm, sorry, either we are ready to proceed -- I am not willing to debate it. That is my ruling -- or we will have the Speaker come in. If not, please accept the ruling.
Mr Bisson: I accept the ruling.
The Second Deputy Chair: Thank you. Please don't interject. I have other business here to do.
The Chair recognizes the member for Mississauga South on a point of order.
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Mrs Marland: I am certainly aware of the fact that the opposition wants to proceed as expeditiously as possible with the placing of their amendments, so it's very interesting when they keep rising on these points of order and challenges.
I think it would be appreciated if the member for Cochrane South could not selectively read the standing orders, but read those sections that deal with the subject with which he apparently is concerned.
Standing order 28(a) says the following: "When a voice vote has been taken on any question" -- when it has been taken on any question -- "a division may be required by five members standing in their places."
In this House, the member for Cochrane South has one place in which to stand to be recognized. So this very clearly, should you choose to read it and understand it, I say, will satisfy the question that you keep making repeatedly, which is where we are when we are voting.
When you have a voice vote, Mr Chair, I know all you do is hear voices. You are not concerned with a voice vote where anyone is sitting. You are hearing voices on one side or the other. So it doesn't matter where they sit. But when it comes to after the voice vote has been taken, then the members who are requesting a division have to stand in their place. If you would refer to 28(a), the member for Cochrane South would understand once and for all and we wouldn't have to keep going through this.
The Second Deputy Chair: Thank you for the information. That is a point of order. Yes, in this place I hear voices and sometimes bells.
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burr Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burr Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order. I only have one person to help me at this table and I have to hold up this House while you're referring to him. If you have another source of information, then I'd like him to be able to help this chamber proceed with the business that's properly in front of us now.
Mr Bisson: I can't address you from here, Speaker.
The Second Deputy Chair: I guess I have to know why you're here, because you are interrupting me and this chamber.
Mr Bisson: It's a long-standing practice that members can get advice from the table.
The Second Deputy Chair: Yes. Often we have two or three. Because we're on overtime and there's all sorts of time being put in, I only have one person available to me. Take a minute and get finished, please.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burrard Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burrard Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burridge Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burridge Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burritt Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burritt Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee this motion carry? It is defeated.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burrows Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burrows Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burrows Bay living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burrows Bay living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"
M. Bisson: Monsieur le Président, j'ai un point d'ordre.
The Second Deputy Chair: Please wait. Order. Please start.
M. Bisson : Monsieur le Président, vous avez dit, quand vous avez lu la section faisant affaire avec le premier paragraphe, que vous avez lu Having first been satisfied, mais ce n'est pas vraiment ça que vous avez fait. Vous avez lu à la place satisfait après le mauvais mot, puis vous avez mis premier après le mot satisfied. Je veux savoir si vous aviez bien fait l'affaire, Monsieur le Président.
The Second Deputy Chair: You are out of order.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material.'"
You're standing up?
M. Bisson: Monsieur le Président, vous dites que je ne suis pas en ordre parce que je m'apprête à vous parler très vite, mais pourquoi, Monsieur le Président, quand vous, vous parlez très vite, vous êtes dans les règles ? Vous avez dit que je n'étais pas en ordre parce que je parle très vite, mais quand M. le Président parle très vite, lui, il est en ordre. J'aimerais savoir pourquoi vous dites ça.
The Second Deputy Chair: There are only three reasons that you would be standing up. One is if you're leaving, and the other is if you're standing on a point of order or on a point of privilege. I have to know why you're standing up, and I think that it behooves, to take this matter seriously, that I need this interpretation. If you want to speak in French, you have every right and every privilege to do so, but I do need a moment to get this translation up to my ear because I don't have it on.
It's on now.
M. Bisson : Sur...un...point...d'ordre --
The Second Deputy Chair: You are out of order, and I don't want to have to eject you, so please come to order.
M. Bisson : Sur un point de privilège, Monsieur le Président : Je ne veux pas vous agacer, mais vous dites que je ne suis pas en ordre parce que je suis en train de parler le français trop vite pour vous. Je veux comprendre.
The Second Deputy Chair: On your point of privilege, it has nothing to do with the speed that you speak. You can speak as slowly or as deliberately or as quickly as you want. The problem that I explained before is with my interpretation of the French language. I'm sorry that I am deficient at it. I need a moment to get the translation up to my ear, to get it on, and I don't appreciate being laughed at while I'm doing that. That is my point.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.'"
M. Bisson : Monsieur le Président, très sérieusement, un point de privilege. Tout cet après-midi --
The Second Deputy Chair: The Chair recognizes the member for Cochrane South on a point of privilege.
M. Bisson : Sur un point de privilège. Merci. Vous avez, tout l'après-midi, lu des amendements très vite dans le record, puis vous avez dit que vous étiez en order en le faisant. Je ne peux pas m'obstiner ; vous êtes le Président. Mais, Monsieur le Président, quand j'ai soulevé un point d'ordre très vite à vous en français, vous m'avez exprimé que vous n'êtes pas capable de comprendre la traduction parce que j'ai parlé trop vite en français et les traducteurs n'étaient pas capables de faire la traduction pour vous faire comprendre.
Mon point de privilège : c'est exactement le problème qu'ont les francophones à travers la province qui écoutent aujourd'hui ces amendements dans le comité parce que, eux autres, ils ne peuvent pas comprendre la traduction. Là, vous savez, Monsieur le Président, pourquoi on est en train de soulever ce point d'ordre à beaucoup de reprises. On vous demande, avec respect, de ralentir un petit peu. Merci.
The Second Deputy Chair: There are two points I have from your point of privilege. The first is that during your point of privilege you mentioned a point of order and that I don't know anything about. The other is that you mentioned speed. I am not familiar enough with the French language to know how fast or how slow they speak. I assume they speak the same as us. Some of us speak a little faster, some of us a little slower than others.
But I want to be very clear in this because I don't want this to become a debate. It is five to 3 on Friday afternoon, April 4. I've only read into the record 21 of these because of the constant interruptions. The exact point of privilege has nothing to do with the speed or the slowness that anyone in this chamber speaks. We are dealing mostly in English and I need a moment, only a moment or so, to get the translation up to my ear for the proper consideration that you and all other members of this House deserve.
Mr Bisson: On a point of privilege in English, Mr Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: You're standing again on a different point of privilege, I hope.
Mr Bisson: On a point of privilege in English because it is clear that you did not understand the translation. I will say it to you in English so you understand clearly.
The Second Deputy Chair: No, I'm sorry. Please take your seat. The point of privilege I took from the interpreter and it had to do with the speed at which you were listening and I was speaking. Sorry. That is my ruling.
Mr Bisson: The speed at which I'm listening? I'm sorry, Mr Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this amendment carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is defeated.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burrows Hall Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burrows Hall Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burton Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burton Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burtonwood Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burtonwood Crescent living in the urban area."
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Burwood Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Burwood Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bush Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bush Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public" -- I'm sorry, the member for Sault Ste Marie, you're standing between me and members -- "hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bushbury Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bushbury Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is also an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bushcroft Grove living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bushcroft Grove living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bushell Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bushell Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1'" --
Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I believe that we are on the NDP amendment, Bushell Avenue, and you were talking about a road.
The Second Deputy Chair: Did I say Bushell Road?
Mr Bisson: Maybe I stand corrected. No, I'm right. You said "Bushell Road" and I have "Bushell Avenue."
The Second Deputy Chair: If I said "Bushell Road," I apologize. I meant to say "Bushell Avenue." That is a point of order.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bushey Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bushey Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bushmills Square living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bushmills Square living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
1510
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bushwood Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bushwood Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
My time is up.
Mr Bisson: Mr Chair, on a point of privilege: If you're just about to leave the chair, I've waited till the very end so I don't obstruct, if you would, please. Je veux faire un point de privilège faisant affaire avec vous. Tout à l'heure quand je me suis levé, vous n'avez pas eu le respect pour moi de m'écouter sur le point de privilège à faire avec vous. La manière de laquelle vous avez traité un député francophone ici à l'Assemblée, je trouve ça très insultant. Je ne le crois pas. Vous n'avez pas de respect -- wow -- vous êtes vraiment insultant, Monsieur le Président ; c'est vraiment quelque chose. Je n'ai jamais vu un gars comme ça.
Un point de privilège, Monsieur le Président, pour le record : tout à l'heure, à peine une vingtaine de minutes, je me suis levé sur un point parce que le Président avait fait une erreur en lisant l'amendement. J'ai lu l'amendement très vite pour faire le point que, quand Monsieur le Président lit très vite, la traduction ne peut pas se faire d'une manière adéquate, et ceux et celles qui écoutent en français à l'écouteur ici à l'Assemblée ou qui écoutent en français à leur maison ne peuvent pas suivre.
Monsieur le Président a déclaré, quand j'ai fini mon point d'ordre, que je n'avais pas un point d'ordre, que lui ne pouvait pas comprendre ce que j'avais dit parce que j'avais parlé trop vite et que pour cette raison-là je n'avais pas de point d'ordre. Je veux mettre sur le record aujourd'hui que je n'ai pas trouvé ce commentaire de la part du Président acceptable, même au point où après, le Président a fait le commentaire, et j'ai besoin de le dire en anglais : Them, the French people.
J'ai trouvé ça très insultant comme francophone de l'Assemblée, et c'est quelque chose que je veux soulever aujourd'hui, mais plus tard par écrit auprès du Président de l'Assemblée, M. Stockwell, parce que je n'ai pas trouvé ça acceptable comme francophone de l'Assemblée et comme francophone en Ontario, dans ma province, où je suis né. Je suis francophone et je suis fier que je n'ai pas besoin de me faire ridiculiser par un gars comme ça.
The Acting Chair (Mr Bruce Crozier): Member for Cochrane South, those comments are on the record.
I have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Busy Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Busy Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buttercup Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buttercup Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." I declare the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Butterfield Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Butterfield Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.
1520
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Butterick Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Butterick Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Butternut Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Butternut Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Butterworth Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Butterworth Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buttonwood Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buttonwood Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Buxton Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Buxton Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of By-pass Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of By-pass Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.
1530
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bychris Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bychris Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Byford Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Byford Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Byng living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Byng living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Byng Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Byng Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be -- how many do I have? Four? Five. This motion shall be deferred.
This is an exact duplication of the previous resolution, so I rule it out of order.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Byron Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Byron Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bywood Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bywood Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
1540
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Byworth Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Byworth Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.
Mr Bisson: On a point of privilege, Mr Chair: I just wanted to indicate that the representatives from the cities of Toronto that are being affected by this bill just had a press conference out front with the two opposition parties and presented the opposition parties with these yellow flowers in support of what we're doing here in the Legislature. I just wanted to make sure that you knew because I knew, as a point of privilege, that you, being the Chair, didn't have an opportunity to be there.
The Acting Chair: Thank you for making note of that. I'm not sure that's a point of privilege but, certainly, thank you.
Mr Bisson: You're not allergic to this, are you?
The Acting Chair: No, I'm not.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cabana Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cabana Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cabarnet Circle living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cabernet Circle living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cabot Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cabot Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.
Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Chair: We would like to withdraw this amendment. It does not have a street name on it, it has just a lake name on it.
The Acting Chair: Thank you. That motion is withdrawn.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cactus Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cactus Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
Mrs Boyd: Mr Speaker, on a point of order: The members of the government appear to be having a caucus meeting rather than paying attention to the business of the House.
The Acting Chair: In view of all that's gone on here in the last 24 hours, I would ask that the government members keep that in mind, but it wasn't necessarily interfering with the progress.
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Mrs Boyd: Mr Chair, I wonder if you could ask the government caucus to keep the noise down so that we can hear you as you read the amendments.
The Acting Chair: If you were not able to hear me, then yes, I would ask the government members to consider that, please. Be careful of the kind of plans you make up there. This is an important issue.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cadbury Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cadbury Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
Mr Mike Colle (Oakwood): Mr Chair, on a point of order: I'd like to recognize that in the gallery we've got the mayor of the borough of East York, Michael Prue; the mayor of the city of York, Frances Nunziata; the mayor of Scarborough, Frank Faubert; the mayor of the city of Toronto, Barbara Hall. Metro councillor Maria Augimeri is here and North York councillor Maria Rizzo is here. I'd like to acknowledge their presence.
The Acting Chair: As is normal in the tradition of the House, we welcome you.
Mr Colle: Also a councillor from the city of Etobicoke, representing the city of Etobicoke -- excuse me, I don't remember your first name. Their cities all voted -- 76% of their residents voted no to megacity.
The Acting Chair: Thank you, member for Oakwood. That's not a point of order but it is in the tradition of the House to introduce visiting elected officials.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Caddy Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Caddy Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cadillac Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cadillac Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion shall be deferred.
I just want to warn the members that that last time I hardly heard the no because there seems to be a considerable amount of chatter to my right, and it may cause some concern in the voting. So I'd appreciate it.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cadman Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cadman Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material'" --
Mr Colle: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I just wanted to mention that there are three other councillors here present in the gallery: Councillor Irene Jones from the wonderful city of Etobicoke; Councillor Agnes Potts from the wonderful city of Etobicoke; and Councillor Vincent Crisanti from the wonderful city of Etobicoke, which the Speaker calls the city of perfect lawns.
The Acting Chair: Again, that's not a point of order but we appreciate your welcoming those who are attending with us.
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed "nay." In my opinion, the ayes have it. This motion shall be deferred.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cadmus Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cadmus Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4'" --
Mr Colle: Mr Chair, on a point of order: I was just wondering, we have four mayors here and councillors representing two other cities. We've got the Minister of Municipal Affairs here.
The Acting Chair: What is your point of order?
Mr Colle: I'm just wondering whether they could sit down -- if the minister could have them meet with him and get us out of this mess that he put us in. It's an opportunity to do that. I make that offer to the minister to talk to them.
The Acting Chair: Member for Oakwood, that is not a point of order. I would ask you to take your chair.
Mr Pouliot: On a point of order, Mr Speaker --
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The Acting Chair: A point of order to the member for Nipigon.
Mr Pouliot: Lake Nipigon, indeed, Mr Speaker. Salutations and greetings from the people who have been watching from as far as Fort Severn, the northernmost community -- and I want you to know this, Speaker -- in the great riding of Lake Nipigon, bordering on the shores of Hudson Bay. If they were there watching -- we're here. We have an opportunity like no other, which is to avail ourselves of a meeting; you people, with respect, what I respect. One, two flights of stairs directly into the meeting office, you can help resolve the dilemma --
The Acting Chair: With all due respect, member for Lake Nipigon, you don't have a point of order. I ask you to take your seat.
Mr Pouliot: The minister is right here. All he has to do is acquiesce and get us out of this mess. I thank you, Mr Speaker.
The Acting Chair: "`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.
Mr Colle: On a point of order, Mr Chair: It is just an oversight. We also have in the gallery Councillor Pam McConnell from the city of Toronto, named by Fortune magazine the most livable city in the world. As you know, the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Mike Harris are about to destroy that, are trying to destroy it, and we're here to make sure they don't do it, and there are witnesses that are trying to stop that.
The Acting Chair: Order. Member for Oakwood, please take your seat. Again, that's not a point of order but it is our tradition to welcome you to the Legislature.
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