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CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO
CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO
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Report continued from volume B.
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CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO
Continuing consideration of Bill 103, An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto / Projet de loi 103, Loi visant à remplacer les sept administrations municipales existantes de la communauté urbaine de Toronto en constituant une nouvelle municipalité appelée la cité de Toronto.
The Chair (Mr Gilles E. Morin): A new NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Airley Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Airley Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aitken Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aitken Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
There is an amendment that comes from the third party.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Acacia Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Acacia Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. When it is a recorded vote I would ask that the members be at their seat. This vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Akron Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Akron Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alabaster Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alabaster Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alameda Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alameda Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alamosa Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alamosa Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
0020
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Abbeville Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Abbeville Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alan Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alan Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alanbull Square living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alanbull Square living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alanbury Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation -- "
There should be no exchange between the gallery and the members.
Mr Steve Gilchrist (Scarborough East): My fault.
The Chair: I'm sorry, but I may have to repeat that same motion. Is it okay?
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alanbury Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alanbury Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alanmeade Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alanmeade Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alba Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alba Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albacore Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albacore Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albani Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albani Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
The Acting Chair (Mrs Margaret Marland): NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albany Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albany Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albemarle Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albermarle Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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Subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albert Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albert Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
Subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albert Franck Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albert Franck Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulations,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All in favour say "aye." All opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion deferred.
Subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alberta Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alberta Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulations,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All in favour please say "aye." All opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Motion deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4): It is moved that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation
"(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albertus Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albertus Avenue living in the urban area.
"2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent."
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The motion is deferred, only just.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4): It is moved that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation
"(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albion Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albion Avenue living in the urban area.
"2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent."
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Motion deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4): It is moved that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation
"(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albion Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albion Road living in the urban area.
"2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent."
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All in favour please say "aye." All opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Motion deferred.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4): It is moved that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation
"(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Albright Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Albright Avenue living in the urban area.
"2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent."
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Motion deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4): It is moved that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation
"(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alcan Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alcan Avenue living in the urban area.
"2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent."
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Motion deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4): It is moved that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation
"(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alcester Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alcester Court living in the urban area.
"2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent."
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All in favour please say "aye." All opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The motion is deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4): It is moved that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"Public consultation
"(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alcina Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alcina Avenue living in the urban area.
"2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All in favour please say "aye." All opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
The Second Deputy Chair (Mr Bert Johnson): This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alcorn Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alcorn Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aldburn Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aldburn Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aldbury Gardens living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aldbury Gardens living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
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This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alden Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alden Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aldenham Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aldenham Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alder Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alder Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
This is an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alder Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alder Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion is deferred.
A further NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alderbrae Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alderbrae Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion is deferred.
A further NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alderbrook Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alderbrook Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aldercrest Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aldercrest Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the pleasure of the committee that the motion carry? All in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
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An NDP motion.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alderdale Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alderdale Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
An NDP motion.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aldergrove Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aldergrove Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aldershot Crescent Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aldershot Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
An NDP motion.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alderton Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alderton Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House this NDP motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aldgate Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aldgate Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aldridge Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation'" --
Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-Woodbine): I appreciate that you are attempting to expedite, and that is fine, Mr Chair, but with the noise in the chamber, I actually cannot follow you. I'm attempting to hear which amendment you're on and follow with the amendments. I would just ask that either order be brought in the chamber or that you raise your voice a bit.
The Second Deputy Chair: I will try to accommodate you. I don't think that I can talk any louder, and we may have to have more quietness. But do you have a copy of this in front of you?
Ms Lankin: I believe I do. I would just like you to refer again, "Despite subsection (1)."
The Second Deputy Chair: Which avenue are you on?
Ms Lankin: Aldridge Avenue.
The Second Deputy Chair: Where would you like me to start again, please?
Ms Lankin: That's fine. You can continue on. I just wanted to make sure I was on the right one.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aldridge Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aldwych Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aldwych Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alexander Street'" --
Mr Gilchrist: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: As you will increasingly discover as we go through these -- we've done a bit of research -- we've only done perhaps 10% and have identified amendments which are grossly in error, grossly in violation of both the principle of the bill and Erskine May and Beauchesne. For example, the amendment that's before us right now is absolutely inappropriate, given that it's completely vague. There are two Alexander Streets within the new urban area as defined in the City of Toronto Act. Obviously, I would not want to impugn the research and the production of these amendments that have been done by the third party, but we can draw no other conclusion than that they are being selective and only one of those Alexander Streets will receive the notice of the regulations that they themselves are suggesting are critically important, important enough to occupy all this time in this chamber.
Given that both Beauchesne and Erskine May make it very clear you cannot have an amendment which is vague and there is no reference in this amendment to which Alexander Street -- there is one in Etobicoke and one in Toronto -- I suggest that unless they are comfortable with the idea that they are discriminating against certain residents of this new city, or in the alternative, admitting that they were so sloppy in preparing their amendments that they did not take the time to identify obvious duplications, and again, you will see hundreds of them as we go through, the bottom line, Mr Speaker, is you must rule that this amendment is out of order. It does not specify which Alexander Street is the point of the amendment.
The Second Deputy Chair: If you will give me a minute to consider that point of order. I'll take a minute to consider that point of order.
Mrs Lyn McLeod (Fort William): If I could speak to the point of order that's been raised, and perhaps it would expedite the process, since I think we're probably all weary at 25 after 1. I'm sure, since the government is enthusiastic and wanting to make sure that there is a high degree of specificity, and I would concur with the parliamentary assistant, who has done the research, and I would concur that he would not want to impugn the research that has been done by the third party, and I'm sure the members of the third party want to be as specific as possible in their amendments so that due justice can be done to the residents of each of the Streets named Alexander, and therefore, I'm sure it would expedite matters and I would ask that the third party consider a friendly amendment from the government to your amendment.
The Second Deputy Chair: One from each party, so I recognize the member for Beaches-Woodbine.
Ms Lankin: First of all, let me deal with the point of order that has been raised, and I would suggest to you that the government -- I know it's late and I know they would desperately like to move beyond dealing with the very many serious amendments that have been brought forward, but I think they're stretching at this point in time. If I may point out to you, first of all, just in terms of Beauchesne, if you refer to page 175 and to section 570, you will see that it rules very clearly on admissible amendments, "An amendment cannot be ruled out because of its vagueness." I would argue, however, that this doesn't even apply in the case that is before us, because there is no vagueness. If in fact the government members feel that it is important that there be references to additional streets that we have not included, then that would have been within their power to have submitted amendments for those streets.
The individual amendment that's before you deals with Alexander Street, and whether or not the government wants to add more streets, unfortunately, the time for filing amendments has passed and they are no longer able to file those amendments.
We have filed amendments. Our amendment is very clear. It's very specific in the way in which it has been stated, and I believe that you must look at the amendment on the face of it. The very important thing to remember is that in all of these, the key being is it relevant to the section, and I could spend some time going through why it's relevant, but I think that the member's objection based simply on vagueness has not been proven at this point in time.
The last argument I would make is that if the member believes that in fact there is some unfairness to this particular amendment that has been put forward, then certainly the members of the government are entitled, based on that, to vote against it. I suspect that they might want to vote in favour of this one, and they're unfortunately feeling that because they think that it may exclude some people on another street, it's unfair. That's a question of a value judgement with respect to whether or not they are in support of an amendment. It is not a question of whether or not the amendment of itself, on the face of it, is vague.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm only going to consider one argument from each party on this point of order, so if you'll please take your seat. I want to know to the best of your information, is every street in the six cities covered in these motions?
Ms Lankin: I can provide you with information on how our list was compiled. It was compiled being cross-checked from an electronic database which contains all the streets within Metropolitan Toronto, as well as a map of Metro Toronto, which is produced by a company called Metro Art, and there is a cross-referencing of these two sources.
I would not assert that absolutely every street in Toronto or in Metropolitan Toronto is in fact included, and it's not necessary for it to be included. These are the amendments that we have brought forward. They affect the streets that we have in fact set out here, and each street stands on its own.
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The Second Deputy Chair: It's some information I wanted, and that's why I asked the question. I will be taking a minute to make my ruling.
I'm addressing my ruling to the member for Scarborough East, and I'm ruling this way, that this motion applies to Alexander Street and therefore it applies to all Alexander streets in the new city, and so it won't matter if there is one, two or a dozen, it will apply to them all. Therefore, it is not a point of order.
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alexandra Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alexandra Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall stand deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alexandra Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alexandra Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alexandra Wood living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alexandra Wood living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alexdon Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alexdon Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of the committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall stand deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alexis Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alexis Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alexmuir Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alexmuir Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alford Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alford Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alfred Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alfred Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Algie Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Algie Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Algo Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Algo Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Algoma Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Algoma Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Algonquin Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Algonquin Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Algonquin Island living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Algonquin Island living in the urban area.'"
Ms Lankin: Point of order, Mr Chair: I was just trying to follow which one you're on. We would like to withdraw this amendment.
The Second Deputy Chair: This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alhambra Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alhambra Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alhart Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alhart Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alice Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alice Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alicewood Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alicewood Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alissa Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alissa Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alladin Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alladin Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allan Park Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allan Park Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allanbrooke Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allanbrooke Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allanford Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allanford Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allangrove Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allangrove Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
0200
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allanhurst Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allanhurst Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allcroft Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allcroft Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allen Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allen Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allenbury Gardens living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allenbury Gardens living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allenby Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allenby Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allenvale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allenvale Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allenwood Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allenwood Crescent living in the urban area.'"
Ms Lankin: Mr Chair, could you repeat the name of that street, please?
The Second Deputy Chair: It's not a street; it's a crescent. It's Allenwood Crescent.
Ms Lankin: Allenwood? Thank you.
The Second Deputy Chair: "`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allerton Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allerton Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alliance Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alliance Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the request of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allingham Gdns living in the urban area shall be made" -- Excuse me. I want to ask a question.
Ms Lankin: It's a short form of Gardens.
The Second Deputy Chair: Well, it is my opinion that a short form would have a period after it; otherwise a person doesn't know whether or not it's a short form. I have sought another opinion on it. I'll be reading it the way it is spelled.
With respect to the residents of Allingham Gardens, this reads: "the residents of Allingham Gdns living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allingham Gdns living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allison Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allison Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allister Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allister Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
0220
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allonsius Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allonsius Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alloy Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alloy Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allstate Pkwy" --
Mr Gilchrist: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I know that the member for Beaches-Woodbine has been following along dutifully. I wonder if she could explain what part of Toronto Allstate Parkway is in, because checking of Perly's indicates that the only Allstate Parkway is actually in Mississauga. I would refer back to the definition in the introduction of this act which defines the "urban area" as the territory formerly comprised of the six cities within the municipality of Metropolitan Toronto. Obviously, this amendment is outside the scope of the bill. It is not within Metropolitan Toronto.
But it is more than that: It once again highlights the degree of frivolousness and the absolute lack of attention to detail that the third party has put into these amendments. We've already dealt with the issue of duplicate streets and you made your ruling. While I certainly understand the conclusion you reached I think there are some more glaring ones come up.
But, Mr Chairman, the Speaker, in his ruling on the first amendment, indicated that it was in fact only the first amendment and he was constrained, quite appropriately, that he couldn't look down the road, he didn't have a crystal ball. But these are the duplicates; these are the streets that don't exist; these are references, in some cases, to not even streets, to cities which aren't within Metropolitan Toronto.
We already have the member for Beaches-Woodbine having put on the record that she is not prepared to make an absolute statement that every street within Metropolitan Toronto is listed. She has admitted that they are discriminating and that only certain streets within Metro Toronto deserve to be treated a certain way, which comes right back to one of the arguments I made with the Speaker in that first amendment, that you cannot, that we cannot consider amendments which deal with in different ways with different people in the city. We cannot do that.
So not only is it vague in the case of the duplicate streets, not only is it frivolous and against the spirit of the bill which is in fact designed to bring together the disparate parts of Metropolitan Toronto, these amendments choose instead to balkanize all of Toronto and in fact to divide it into 8,000 different parts.
I can tell you categorically there are streets within Metropolitan Toronto that are not the subject of the amendments that have been tabled by the NDP. They have done that shoddy research, although I find it interesting that they privatized it. They went to an outside company. They didn't have their own staff do the research. They outsourced it indeed.
And let me draw a few other things to your attention, Mr Chair.
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order.
Mr Gilchrist: With the greatest of respect --
The Second Deputy Chair: These are on the same point of order?
Mr Gilchrist: Absolutely.
Mr Howard Hampton (Rainy River): We'd like to know what the point is.
Mr Gilchrist: Well, start listening then perhaps, leader of the third party. It's outside the scope of the bill.
I would also draw your attention, with the greatest respect, to the member for Beaches-Woodbine, her earlier reference to Beauchesne is totally inapplicable. She quoted from a page that has to do with motions. That's not what we're doing here today. These are amendments to a bill and section 698, page 207, and I quote: "An amendment is out of order if it is offered at the wrong place in the bill, if it is tendered to the committee in a spirit of mockery or if it is vague or trifling."
I don't know whether that would cause you to reconsider your earlier ruling, but I would have to ask you in this case, given the fact that we are now seeing an incredible pattern of inattention to detail, discrimination, absolute abuse of process, a trifling with the very essence of what this Legislature is all about, and in fact the inclusion of streets and other geographical features which aren't even within Metropolitan Toronto, you really can have no choice, Mr Chairman, in this case. It is not in Metropolitan Toronto, Allstate Parkway, and it is merely the first of hundreds and hundreds of similar errors in the drafting of these amendments.
These are time-wasting, dilatory tactics which are absolutely unbecoming the third party or any member in this chamber. They are a contradiction to the authorities of Erskine May, they are trifling, they are vague, they are contrary to the authorities of Beauchesne which have similar directions to you in the chair.
I would argue that this amendment and all subsequent amendments be deemed to be out of order for the reasons which I have cited.
The Second Deputy Chair: I would like to hear from each of the parties. I'll take you in rotation. The Chair recognizes the member for York South.
Mr Gerard Kennedy (York South): I just want to refer to standing order 23 that states: "In debate, a member shall be called to order by the Speaker if he or she:
"(a) Speaks twice to a question...."
We have heard repetitious argument here made by the member opposite and, Mr Chair, I think you recognize in what has been said that this is exactly the same argument, with due respect and deference to the Chair, which was made earlier --
Interjections.
The Second Deputy Chair: Order.
Mr Gilchrist: It's a different question.
Mr Kennedy: -- on a number of occasions. We ask you to rule in that way.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'd like to address the government members. I want to hear.
The Chair recognizes the member for Beaches-Woodbine on this same point of order.
Ms Lankin: Yes, on the same point of order. The member for Scarborough East makes reference to Beauchesne and makes reference to admissibility of amendments in committee and in doing so, seeks to argue that the amendment before us is either outside of the scope of the bill that is before us or is in fact frivolous. In fact, I think he's offered you two arguments.
Let me deal with both of them together. In order for an amendment to be determined to be frivolous, you must look to the relevant decisions and precedents that have been ruled on with respect to that. Most importantly, I would say that you must look to the amendments or frivolous rulings that have been made within this Legislature.
There are not many of them over the years. This is not something that is done lightly. I think that is, as we have witnessed tonight, that the Chairs and the Speakers of this Legislature have followed that precedent that it is not done lightly. In fact, the last time that an amendment was ruled out of order for being frivolous in this Legislature was in June 1965 and I believe the Chair at the time was Mr Whitney.
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At that point in time, the amendment that had been put forward had been put forward by a member of the Legislative Assembly, attempting to change the name of a piece of legislation, a bill that was before the House at that point in time. The Speaker's ruling was that amendment was out of order because it was frivolous and he indicated that he did not think there was any justification for the name, the bill had an original name, and therefore he declared the amendment to be frivolous and out of order. On many other occasions since that time there have been attempts by members to seek a ruling of a frivolous nature of amendments and they have been rejected by Speakers continuously.
If you look to the experts on this, you begin to see why they make their learned arguments about what in fact would cause an amendment to be out of order. Particularly now I want to refer to Erskine May, and I will refer you to page 339, "Rules with respect to form and content of amendments." The most important aspect that is put forward is that, "The fundamental rule," as Erskine May refers to it, "that debate" -- and we're talking about amendments -- "must be relevant to a question...also means that every amendment must be relevant to the question to which it is proposed."
Mr Chair, in order for you to determine that, you must look to the actual question that is before us, which is shall section 24 of the bill be passed? Section 24 reads as follows: "24(1) The minister may by regulation" do a number of things:
"(a) impose conditions on the exercise of the powers of an old council;
"(b) impose conditions on the exercise of the powers of a local board of an old municipality," etc;
"deal with transitional matters...provide for any other transitional matter...prescribe duties...define any word or expression...."
It's a very broad regulation-setting power under this legislation. The amendment that is in question at this time adds to section 24 conditions which must be met before the minister, as it sets out at the beginning under subsection 24(1) "may by regulation" do a certain number of things. In this case it sets out that the minister may do that if he follows a process of consultation.
In this case the member states that Allstate Parkway is within Mississauga. I would say to you at this point in time that I would be pleased at another opportunity to look as to whether he's correct on that or not. The name has come from the information that we have and has been prepared and has come from a database in cross-referencing with a map. But irrespective of that -- I want to put that aside -- I would put to you that there is nothing out of the scope or content of the legislation to suggest that people who may be, for example, in the GTA belt be consulted with respect to the aspects of what is happening in the large Metropolitan Toronto area.
You've heard on a number of occasions in the debates that have taken place how interrelated these are, how people feel. In fact you've heard, I'm sure, Mayor McCallion of Mississauga, who has given very pronounced opinions on this, who has appeared before the committee and has asked that Mississauga in fact be consulted and be part of the process with respect to the changes here and with respect to the changes in the GTA.
I would suggest that even if the member is correct in his allegation, which I have no way to substantiate at this point in time, in fact he is not correct in the argument that he makes with respect to this being outside the scope of the legislation.
I also want to say that the member took considerable time to also start to talk about the nature of the amendment, and he goes on to other amendments which aren't even before us and whether or not they are fair, whether or not they treat people in a discriminatory manner, a lot of arguments which in fact are debates.
As you know, these amendments unfortunately, because of the government's time allocation motion, are not debatable, so we are not in a position of being able to debate the merits of the government's amendments, the official opposition amendments or the third party's amendments. We must only deal with the amendments as they are before us. There is no debate allowed, and I would suggest that all those arguments he put forward which are of an element of debate must be dismissed by you because this is not debatable.
Mr Hampton: On a point of order, Mr Chair --
The Second Deputy Chair: Is this a new point of order or is this on the same one?
Mr Hampton: This is a new point of order, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: I will hear it afterwards, then.
Mr Hampton: It is a related point of order, though, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to address the point of order.
Mrs McLeod: If I may, I will attempt to be helpful as well as brief, Mr Chair. My attempt will be to help the Chair, not to help the government.
I believe that the member has offered three somewhat contradictory reasons for suggesting that this particular resolution might be out of order. One is that it is frivolous, and I suggest to you that on your referral, the Speaker has already ruled that these amendments are not to be considered frivolous. Therefore all amendments that were of a similar nature would be considered to be of --
Mr Gilchrist: Don't put words in the Speaker's mouth.
Mrs McLeod: If the government is suggesting that every one of these resolutions be referred to the Speaker to make the same judgement, we are going to be here for a much longer time than any of us anticipated. That was on your referral that the Speaker made that ruling.
The second argument offered was that this was not relevant, but by the finding of the amendments not being frivolous and allowed to stand, they are also therefore considered to be relevant under the standing orders.
The third reason the member offered was that they were vague. That is contradictory to the argument that they are frivolous and not relevant because they are not specific enough. You have already ruled on that a few amendments ago to say that the amendment could stand. In any event, if it is a genuine concern for the government, it is easily rectified.
Mr Hampton: On a point of order, Mr Chair: This is related to what has already gone on before.
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to be very specific, because if it's on this point of order, then I will hear it. If it is not on this point of order, I will not.
Mr Hampton: It's on this point of order, Mr Chair. I want you to reflect on what the member for Scarborough East has tried to do here. The government passed a time allocation motion which in effect limited debate on motions. This member tried to use a point of order to get up and debate this particular motion. This member --
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to know your point.
Mr Hampton: The point is that the member listed arguments as to why he disapproves of this amendment. Those reasons he listed may lead him to vote against the amendment, but he cannot use a point of order to get up and debate a motion, and that's what he's trying to do. He's trying to debate this amendment, and the rules which we are operating under now prohibit debate of those amendments. The member cannot do by the back door what the time allocation motion will not permit him to do by the front door. If the member wants to vote against this, he is perfectly able to vote against it, but we're not to engage in debate of particular amendments at this point in time in this process.
The Second Deputy Chair: I want to explain to you that the very thing you are asking him to do is what you are doing. I've heard you and I will have one more, and I want to go in rotation.
The Chair recognizes the minister there.
Hon Rob Sampson (Minister without Portfolio [Privatization]): Whatever.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry. Scarborough --
Hon Mr Sampson: It's Mississauga. I've been called better and maybe worse, Mr Chair, and that's fine.
I will attempt to speak to the point of order that's been raised by my colleague for Mississauga West.
Mrs Margaret Marland (Mississauga South): I'm Mississauga South.
Hon Mr Sampson: And don't ever forget it. You know what? It's just six o'clock, Mr Chair. Sometimes we have to have these liberties.
I will speak to the point that's been raised by my colleague from Scarborough because I believe, as I understand his point, he is trying to draw the attention of the Chair to the fact that, not only in the instance he spoke to there, some names are listed in these amendments that are not within the area that's under consideration by this bill -- the one I believe he raised is in Mississauga -- but he also drew attention to the fact that there are some streets, as he's able to follow the progression of the amendments so far, that are not included.
As I see the progression here, as we move through these amendments, I'm beginning to become a little more alarmed when I connect that to the comment that was made by our colleague from Beaches-Woodbine. I believe her words were -- I don't have Hansard to read them back from -- that "it is not necessary for each street to be included in the bundle of amendments that we have coming before us" related to this particular topic. I can understand then that there must be some purpose in my colleagues across the floor, I would say, purposely excluding some streets from the enumeration. I'm becoming a bit alarmed by that.
While I think there have been previous decisions that have talked about issues around constitutionality, the exclusion of some parties against the other and whether that is constitutional, it's not within the purview of this House to consider whether amendments are constitutional. I put to you, sir, that it is appropriate for this House to make sure that amendments they are considering attaching to pieces of legislation deal with issues of authority that this House has to grant. I say to you that it is not within the purview of this House -- it may be in another House, it may be in Ottawa but it's not in the purview of this House -- to do what I believe the opposition parties intend to do with this legislation, which is to purposely include streets and residents of the area in a particular amendment and also purposely exclude. I'm not asking for a determination on the constitutionality.
The Second Deputy Chair: This was a point of order addressed by the member for Scarborough East. I am ruling that it is not a point of order. I have no way of determining the legal accuracy of whether Allstate Parkway is within or without the boundaries of Metropolitan Toronto. I have to assume that they are within because of the data base and the information that the members used to put this in and that is my ruling.
Mr Gilchrist: Thank you, Mr Chair. I would challenge your ruling and ask you to refer to the Speaker.
The committee recessed from 0245 to 0250.
APPEAL OF THE CHAIR'S RULING
The Acting Speaker (Mr Bert Johnson): Mr Speaker, the committee of the whole would like to report that we have a point of order being raised. It's being raised by the member for Scarborough East. We are dealing with an NDP motion that among other things proposes that Allstate Parkway should be included in this amendment. The member for Scarborough East alleges that this is a street only in the municipality of Mississauga and that it would bring mockery and discrimination into this bill by including this in the thing. They will want to speak to you about this. This is the motion.
The Speaker (Hon Chris Stockwell): Thank you. The member for Scarborough East, I had the opportunity to listen intently to the points of order that were raised. I consider it a serious point of order. I say to the members of the opposition as well, I heard the points of view offered by yourselves.I would just say to you that if you feel so inclined to restate them, I would never turn down a point of order, but I'll tell you, I think I've got the thrust of your thoughts.
Mr Gilchrist: If I might quote from the bill, Mr Speaker, "`urban area' means the area that, immediately before section 27 comes into force, comprises the geographic area of jurisdiction of the municipality of Metropolitan Toronto under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act."
I guess the only point I would make is that at the outset the undertaking that you were given and the statements made by the third party were in fact that these were streets within Metropolitan Toronto. In response to an earlier round table discussion about a previous amendment, the member for Beaches-Woodbine stated categorically that she had it on valid authority that the names being submitted were compiled from a database of only those streets. In fact she gave a slightly different answer to you than what she told us. She said it was from a voters' list. She told you it was from an authority called Metro Art. I think perhaps she meant MapArt.
From an authority I think second to none, Perly, there is only one Allstate Parkway. It is not in the boundary that is the scope of this bill. This is not some arcane legal definition. The bill describes the territory which is the subject under discussion here today. Unless she can cite an authority which refutes Perly, the number-one-selling map book in all of Canada, then it's clearly outside the scope of this bill.
Mr Speaker, I do not want to have to call you back in probably every five minutes. These are just a few of the subsequent amendments that fall into exactly the same category. I have no choice but to draw your attention to all of those as well. Some of these amendments refer to cities on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. Some of these refer to lakes in northern Ontario. Some of these refer to things that aren't even streets, like Lamport Stadium. I don't think anyone lives in Lamport Stadium.
In your ruling to the first amendment of the 8,000, you quite correctly suggested that it was the first amendment; you could in fact deduce no pattern from that one. Mr Speaker, that ruling was made five hours ago, five hours and barely over 100 amendments. But the bottom line is that we are now coming to the point where we have seen the absolute and complete disregard of the integrity of this process.
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These are not the streets in Metropolitan Toronto. This is a dilatory tactic as offensive as anything I have seen in the 20 months I have been in this chamber. To suggest that two wrongs make a right and because a previous member once read the lakes and streams somehow makes it okay, I cannot accept. The bottom line is this bill is very simple: It was the bringing together of the seven cities into one new jurisdiction. How anyone -- not you, Mr Speaker -- could deduce that to refer to a single street is somehow consistent with the tone and tenor of bills -- I admit with only two years' experience my time frame is far less comprehensive than yours, but if there has ever been another bill that came forward, an MNR bill that dealt with specific streams, a bill that dealt with sewers and then went on and listed every sewer main in the province, a bill that in any way broke down into this sort of detail and was seen by the Speaker as being appropriate, then I would genuinely appreciate that precedent.
Mr Speaker, I think you have on the face the obvious evidence that this is nothing more than a dilatory tactic and I think it is offensive to all the members and it is offensive to the taxpayers, at the cost of $1,000 a minute to operate this chamber, that we indulge this for the hours and the days it will take to read 8,000 defective amendments that are not consistent with the spirit of this bill and that are absolutely at odds with the definition itself at the introduction.
Ms Lankin: Mr Speaker, I'm going to try to observe your request and be brief and not to repeat the points that I made earlier. I would like to address two things in response to the member for Scarborough East. Firstly I would point out that he is absolutely incorrect to suggest that I have on the record at any time led the members of this House to believe that these lists were prepared from voters' lists. I think it's quite irrelevant as a point of order but I simply wanted to make that very clear, because I believe that the member would have left people with a different impression.
I do want to speak to the point of the amendment which is before you, which is the amendment with respect to Allstate Parkway, not any others that may be coming in the future, and say that the process by which we undertook to bring together the lists of amendments was taken from a database and cross-referenced with a map. At this point in time I cannot verify that the member is absolutely correct in what he is asserting. I don't know the answer to that. I believe that we in all good faith have attempted to bring together a list which reflected our intent.
I can tell you that in the doing of that there were certain things, as we went through and culled the list, that we deleted ourselves, like reference, for example, to the Eaton's Centre. There was one previously that as we came across it I saw that it in fact perhaps should have been culled out and I withdrew it at that point in time, which I think is the appropriate way to deal with these things and the way in which I would intend to continue to deal with these things as I sit here and monitor them very carefully as we go through them.
I would just say in response to the member's verbiage with respect to shoddy research work etc, the number of amendments that we are facing with this bill from the government in terms of areas where you're looking at corrections and you call it housekeeping, these things are quite normal in the course of debates on bills and amendments on bills. I would intend to proceed and, where appropriate, withdraw those amendments that have somehow been submitted contrary to the intent of the honourable members of my party who have worked on proceeding and producing these amendments.
The Speaker: Minister and member for Mississauga West.
Hon Rob Sampson (Minister without Portfolio [Privatization]): I'm going to put a name tag in front here one of these days, Mr Speaker, to help everybody.
I will indeed be brief. I rose on my colleague from Scarborough's point of order because it really reflected my concern and the concern I've been getting as we've gone through these amendments and some of the comments and discussion that's been coming out so far that clearly there are some areas of the city that will be missed when the assembly of these amendments are put together and considered either in whole or in part at some time, in the near future, I hope.
My concern, Mr Speaker, is not necessarily whether it's appropriate to have one excluded or not, because that's really a constitutional issue. We've had decisions in this House by previous Speakers that it's not up to this House or the Speaker to determine the constitutionality of any particular amendment and I'm not asking that that be considered here. What I am asking to be considered is whether it's appropriate for us to consider amendments, either on their own or in a collection of amendments, that will create laws coming out of this Legislature that aren't within the purview of this Legislature to create, and those are laws that will determine the rights of one group of people versus the lack of rights of others. Clearly that's what will happen if we proceed, as proposed by the NDP, to be willing to accept some streets as opposed to others. The amendment reads that specifically residents as opposed to -- clearly, since they've named residents, there would be non-residents on a particular street who would be excluded from the rights and privileges allocated to them under this legislation. So I'm not asking that we determine whether the amendments are constitutional, but I'm asking to consider whether it's appropriate for laws and amendments to be considered in this House that are clearly not within the purview of this jurisdiction to consider. The rights and privileges of people are allocated to us by a senior jurisdiction, not this House. Rights and privileges of the people in this province are allocated to the people of this province by the Constitution of this country, not by this House. Constitutional matters should be considered by the judiciary -- it's 3 o'clock and it's hard to get that out -- not by this House. We shouldn't consider whether a particular amendment is constitutional, but I think it's appropriate for us to consider whether a particular amendment is within the purview of this House to actually create laws against, and that's the point that I rose to speak to when my colleague from Scarborough rose, and that's the point that I would put to you, sir, to give consideration to.
The Speaker: I'd just like to question the member for Mississauga West to help me clarify this. How would that square with the position of the trustees on Bill 103 and Bill 104 and the position of the government?
Hon Mr Sampson: I can't speak to that one because that's not before us here today, sir. The point before us today is this particular amendment and the series of amendments before us. I have not put my mind to the question you've asked me because it's not within the context. I can't help you on that one.
The Speaker: I'm going to go to the leader of the third party.
Mr Hampton: Speaker, I made this argument before. You may have heard it, so I'll just restate it briefly. I think what you're hearing here both from Mr Sampson and from Mr Gilchrist is they try to use a point of order to engage in arguments of debate. What I think I'm hearing over here are reasons why Mr Sampson would vote against these amendments. There are probably good reasons for Mr Sampson, given his picture of the world, to vote against these amendments, but I would say to you, Speaker, the government's own time allocation motion forbids debate at this time on the merits of an amendment, whether the amendment is a good amendment or whether the amendment is favourable to these folks or not favourable to other folks.
Mr Sampson is trying to engage in debate on the merits of an amendment when our time allocation motion which the government forced through clearly says you can't debate the merits. As for Mr Gilchrist, the member for Scarborough East, he wants to base a point of order on an allegation. He rises and he cites some street index book and he wants to base a point of order on an allegation.
Speaker, as far as I know, points of order are to deal with the rules of order of this House, not on allegations, not on allegation as to whether someone, for example, misled the House or some information. So I think what you heard here are two members who are trying to engage in debate on a particular amendment. I really don't think there's a point of order here.
The Speaker: I'll go back to the member for Mississauga West.
Hon Mr Sampson: Again, I want to reflect on two things, if I can. I thought I had mentioned in my comments that I clearly did not want to get into the merits of the amendment. I didn't want to get into whether it was constitutional, whether it's appropriate to exclude one group of residents on a street versus non-residents, to include one street and not the street. That's not the point I rose on. The point was, whether it's appropriate for this House to consider amendments and, if they get attached to legislation, the legislation that's not within the authority of this House to consider. I'll go to the point that you've challenged me on, sir --
The Speaker: No, it was clarification --
Hon Mr Sampson: -- asked for clarification on, in regard to how this related to the trustee item. I think the point there was we were indeed discussing the merits of whether the appointment of trustees was constitutional or not constitutional, not whether it's within the jurisdiction of this House to eventually create the trustee board to deal with its authorities as drafted within the legislation. I would put to you that it is within the purview of this House to create that legislation. The debate we had at that time, as I recall, was whether it was constitutional to have them in effect before the bill was passed. That is the merit issue. What I'm trying to drive at is, how can it be appropriate for us to consider amendments that will deal with items that this jurisdiction has no authority to deal with? We have no authority in this House to deal with allocating fundamental rights of citizens. That is not within the authority of this House. That's within the authority of the government of Canada, which sets the Constitution in the ways in which it sets the Constitution, which sets our bill of rights in the way it sets our bill of rights. We must be governed by those. We can't change those in this House.
Mrs McLeod: I'll be very brief in response to the points of order raised by both the member for Mississauga West and the member for Scarborough East. In terms of the member for Mississauga West, I would agree with him when he suggested this is a serious alternative, which of course is in direct contradiction to the point made by his colleague from Scarborough East, who considers it to be frivolous and therefore should not be in order. I take the member for Mississauga West seriously when he says it's a serious amendment. I would urge that if there are genuine concerns about the constitutionality of any part of Bill 103 we would recommend to the government that it does what we've recommend it do on Bill 104, and that is to voluntarily seek a reference to the Court of Appeal to determine the constitutionality or lack of it of both Bill 103 and Bill 104. There is precedent for this; it was done by a Liberal government when it referred Bill 30 voluntarily to a Court of Appeal in order to avoid very costly court challenges that would go to the Supreme Court level.
In response to the member for Scarborough East, who suggests that the amendments before us are dilatory and therefore in his view offensive to the Legislature, I would respectfully suggest that none of these amendments would be here if the government of the day had not decided to use its majority to put through legislation which is clearly in direct violation of the expressed views of a majority of its citizens. I find that offensive, and for any member of this government to argue the rights of those citizens is truly offensive.
Ms Lankin: In response to the member for Mississauga West, he seems to be arguing that the nature of the amendments before us are fundamental rights of citizenship that are somehow, I guess by his argument, being proceeded on in a discriminatory way. I would just remind you, Mr Speaker, that the amendments before us are with respect to a consultation process and who must be consulted with respect to the question in section 24, which is before the minister may make a regulation. That's what we're dealing with. I would point to other statutes that have passed this Legislature and have been deemed to be constitutional, although I know the member and his party disagreed and then revoked the legislation.
I would point out, for example, employment equity legislation or many types of legislation which create certain laws and activities and/or rights for individuals within the province. I, quite frankly, see no merit in the argument that he has put forward.
The Speaker: I'd like to thank the members for their submission. I think I'll take 10 minutes to recess, to take an opportunity to review this, and maybe take a break for 10 minutes of the House. It may be helpful, I think, at this time.
The House recessed from 0315 to 0328.
The Speaker: I appreciate the points of order offered by the members from all three parties.
Let me deal with the member for Mississauga West. I appreciate the points that he made, but the difficulty I'm faced with is, it's my job as Speaker of the House and the Chair of the committee to determine whether or not an amendment is in order. Now, there are certain requirements to determine whether that amendment is in order or is not in order.
From the thrust of the point of order offered, there's a question about whether these amendments would penalize certain people who lived on certain streets that aren't named in the amendments as a bloc. That may well be true and I'm not suggesting for a moment that the member for Mississauga West is not making a valid argument, but I don't believe the argument you're making is an argument about whether the amendment is in order; it's an argument about whether it's legal to do that. That must be taken up properly before the courts.
I asked the question with respect to Bill 103 and Bill 104 because I ruled very similarly to that not too long ago with respect to the trustees who were ruled on in Bill 104. The opposition asked for a relationship back to Bill 103, and my position then is the one I'm going to put forward again today. Those bills, pieces of legislation that were before the House, were in order. Whether they're legal is not a question that I want to decide upon. I can't set myself up as judge and jury. I can only determine whether they're in order according to the standing orders of this House, and they were.
Subsequently, the amendment that's before us, from my review, is properly before us by our orders. If it's determined at a later date not to be legal, that's for a different body altogether, for the judiciary, and that's something they would have to take up before the courts.
To move to the member for Scarborough East, we have three principles we work under with respect to this House. You have the standing orders, which are supreme; and then you have precedents, and they stand second behind the standing orders; and then you move down to parliamentary authorities. The parliamentary authorities we work under are Beauchesne and Erskine May; it isn't Beauchesne, Erskine May, and Perly's. I say that with the greatest respect.
The difficulty you put the Speaker in is that I'm now having to rule on the basis of a Perly's map. I'm not discrediting the fact that you may be correct, but I can't do that. I can only rule as to the amendment being in order, and whether or not the members put these in as honourable members -- I presume certain things. I can't presume, because you have a map that says it's not there, that it's not there, because then we could be faced with the unenviable situation of working our way through how many map companies determining whether or not a street or any portion thereof is properly in Metro.
I appreciate the points you made and I'm not questioning the validity of your argument with respect to whether it's inside or outside of Metro. The question I have to rely on is that I only have three places to go: the standing orders; what we use as tradition in this place, precedent; and Beauchesne and Erskine May. When I go there, there's nothing that says it's not in order.
I appreciate the opportunity to come back and express an opinion, make some rulings on some of those issues, but from my reading, my review, I don't think either of the points of order would stand and I would see those amendments as being in order.
CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO
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The First Deputy Chair (Ms Marilyn Churley): I have an NDP motion.
Mr Hampton: At this rate, it's an hour and a half per amendment.
The First Deputy Chair: Order, please. We're dealing with an NDP motion.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allstate Parkway living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allstate Parkway living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Allview Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Allview Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alma Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alma Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
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An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alma Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alma Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Should the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Almington Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Almington Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Almont Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Almont Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Almore Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Almore Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Madam Speaker: With respect to the next amendment, I'll have to ask you to check the copies you have at the table. I believe it inadvertently is a duplicate of the amendment that was just defeated and I would withdraw it on that basis.
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The First Deputy Chair: Thank you very much.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alness Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alness Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alonzo Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alonzo Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alpaca Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alpaca Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alpha Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alpha Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alpine Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alpine Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alrita Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alrita Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Altair Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Altair Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Altamont Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Altamont Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Althea Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Althea Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alton Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alton Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alvin Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alvin Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alvinson Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alvinson Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Alyward Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Alyward Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amanda Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amanda Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amaranth Court in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amaranth Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amarillo Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amarillo Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4).
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amaron Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amaron Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ambassador Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ambassador Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amber Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amber Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Motion deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ambercroft Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ambercroft Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Should the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amberdale Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amberdale Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amberjack Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amberjack Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amberley Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amberley Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
0430
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amberwood Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amberwood Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ambleside Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ambleside Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amboy Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amboy Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ambrose Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ambrose Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ameer Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ameer Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
0440
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amelia Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amelia Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the amendment please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ames Circle living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ames Circle living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ames Gate living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ames Gate living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I don't believe there's a quorum.
The First Deputy Chair: Is there a quorum?
Acting Clerk Assistant (Mr Todd Decker): Madam Chair, a quorum is not present.
The First Deputy Chair ordered the bells rung.
Acting Clerk Assistant: A quorum is now present, Madam Chair.
The First Deputy Chair: All right. NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amesbury Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amesbury Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ames Gate living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ames Gate living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
0450
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amethyst Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amethyst Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amherst Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amherst Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amiens Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amiens Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amoro Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amoro Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amos Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amos Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ampleford Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ampleford Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amroth Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amroth Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amsterdam Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amsterdam Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Amulet Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Amulet Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anaconda Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anaconda Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ancaster Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ancaster Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Vote deferred.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anchor Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anchor Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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The Chair: NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ancona Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ancona Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ancroft Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ancroft Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anderson Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anderson Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Andes Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Andes Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.
Mr John Gerretsen (Kingston and The Islands): Mr Chair, I don't think we have a quorum in the House.
The Chair: Would you please verify if there is quorum?
Acting Clerk Assistant (Ms Lisa Freedman): A quorum is not present.
The Chair: Call in the members.
The Chair ordered the bells rung.
Acting Clerk Assistant: A quorum is now present.
The Chair: NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Andona Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Andona Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." That's the spirit. In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.
We had a point of order?
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Mrs Helen Johns (Huron): A point of order: I think the NDP would like to dispense with the reading of these motions because we've been going through them for a number of hours now. I think we all know what they are and it would be better for us just to continue to vote. Can I get the NDP to agree to dispense with these --
Interjections: No.
Mrs Johns: I think we all know what they are by now.
Interjections.
Mr Gerretsen: How do you know? Give me the name of the next street. What's the name of the next street?
Interjections.
The Chair: Order, order. An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Andover Crescent living in the urban area shall be made --'"
Interjections.
The Chair: Order, order. The member for Huron. It's nice that everybody's awake. Please pay attention to what I read now. I'm going to have to read it again.
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Andover Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Andover Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." That's the spirit. In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Interjections.
The Chair: The member for York-Mackenzie, please.
An NDP motion:
Mr Ron Johnson (Brantford): Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Andrew Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Andrew Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
Ms Lankin: Point of order, Mr Chair: I would like to withdraw this amendment.
The Chair: The next one is an NDP motion.
Mr Ron Johnson: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Andrews living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Andrews living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
Mr Ron Johnson: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aneta Circle living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aneta Circle living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
Mr Ron Johnson: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anewen Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anewen Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion be carried? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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NDP motion.
Mrs Johns: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Angel Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Angel Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.
Interjections.
The Chair: Order, order.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anglesey Blvd living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anglesey Blvd living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Angora Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Angora Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation --'"
Interjections.
The Chair: I would ask you to come to order. If not, I will ask you to leave.
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
Mr Ron Johnson: Same vote.
The Chair: Dispense?
Mr Ron Johnson: Same vote.
The Chair: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Angus Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Angus Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation --
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ann Arbour Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ann Arbour Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation --
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anna Hilliard Lane living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anna Hilliard Lane living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Annabelle Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Annabelle Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Annan Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Annan Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Annapearl Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Annapearl Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion --
Interjection: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense?
Interjections: No.
The Chair: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Annaree Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Annaree Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion --
Interjection: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense?
Interjections: No.
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The Chair: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anndale Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anndale Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anndale Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anndale Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anneke Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anneke Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
Mr Gilchrist: Mr Chairman, only four members who are in their chairs rose for that. I don't believe there's a second opportunity.
The Chair: I counted five.
NDP motion, subsection 24(4):
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection -- "
Interjections.
The Chair: Dispense?
Interjections: No.
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Annesley Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Annesley Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Annette Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Annette Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion --
Interjection: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense?
Interjections: No.
The Chair: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Annis Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Annis Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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NDP motion:
Mrs Johns: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anola Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anola Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
Mrs Johns: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ansell Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ansell Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection -- "
Mrs Johns: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ansford Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ansford Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection -- "
Mrs Johns: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ansley Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ansley Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anson Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anson Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anthia Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anthia Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
Mr Peter Kormos (Welland-Thorold): It's not often you're up this early in the morning and still sober.
Interjection: Welcome back. We missed you for quite a while.
Mr Gilchrist: Chair, I would ask you to --
The Chair: No, if you have a point of order, you have to do it from your seat.
Mr Gilchrist: All right, stand by. Mr Chair, I would ask that the member for Welland-Thorold retract those last comments.
The Chair: I didn't hear anything.
Mr Kormos: I implied he was still sober but I'll retract it.
The Chair: I'd like you to pay attention to the next motion, an NDP motion.
Hon Mr Sampson: Mr Chair, on a point of order: I believe the Speaker set a precedent that if a member is asked to withdraw, he withdraws, no ifs, ands or buts. I did not hear an unconditional withdrawal from the member opposite.
The Chair: I think you're right. I didn't ask him to withdraw. The member for Welland-Thorold, would you please withdraw the comment?
Mr Kormos: I implied he was still sober but I withdraw my comment.
The Chair: Just say, "I withdraw the comment."
Mr Kormos: Yes, of course, Chair, I withdraw it.
The Chair: Thank you.
Mrs Marland: Mr Chair, on a point of order: I think it's a little unfair for those people who are coming in who have had the benefit of some rest --
Interjections.
Mr Frank Miclash (Kenora): Only 17 days left, Margaret.
Mrs Marland: If you think it's a joke, then why are we here? We're just wasting everybody's time if you think it's a joke.
Interjections.
The Chair: Order.
Mrs Marland: I think for the member for Welland-Thorold to talk about somebody's sobriety is out of order in this House whether it's 5:30 in the morning or 5:30 in the afternoon. It happens to be 6:15 in the morning and there are some of us who have been here since 1:30 yesterday afternoon and I take very strong exception to the member for Welland-Thorold and I ask you to call him to order.
The Chair: The member for Mississauga South --
Interjections.
The Chair: Order. I already asked him to withdraw.
Mrs Marland: And he repeated his statement.
The Chair: I'm satisfied.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection -- "
Interjection: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents -- "
Interjections.
The Chair: Order.
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anthony Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anthony Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Antibes Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Antibes Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anticosti Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anticosti Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
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An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Antioch Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Antioch Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Antler Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Antler Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Antrim Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Antrim Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. A deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Anvil Millway living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Anvil Millway living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. A deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Apache Trail living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Apache Trail living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. A deferred vote.
0630
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Apex Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Apex Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Apollo Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Apollo Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Appian Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Appian Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 --
Interjection: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Appleby Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Appleby Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Appledale Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Appledale Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Appleby Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Appleby Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
0640
An NDP motion:
Mrs Johns: Dispense.
The Chair: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
Mr Bud Wildman (Algoma): Now if you were to dispense with the bill.
Mrs Johns: We've heard this over 200 times now.
The Chair: Member for Huron, I can't hear myself here.
Mrs Johns: Yes, I'm here. That's right.
The Chair: "`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Applefield Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Applefield Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
Mr Gerretsen: The spaceship is landing this afternoon.
The Chair: Member for Kingston and The Islands.
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Applegate Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Applegate Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Applemore Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Applemore Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Appleton Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Appleton Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
0650
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Appletree Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Appletree Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Apsco Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Apsco Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Apsley Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Apsley Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section" --
Interjection: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Apted Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Apted Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aquila Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aquila Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
0700
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Aragon Avenue living in the urban area" --
Interjection: Dispense.
The Chair: Dispense? No.
" -- shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Aragon Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Araman Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Araman Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
Mrs Marland: Chair.
The Chair: Do you have a point of order?
Mrs Marland: I'm just asking you --
The Chair: Stand up and you can address the --
Mrs Marland: Oh, thank you, Mr Chair, and good morning. I'm very glad to have this opportunity to speak. I was simply asking you, Mr Chair, in that last vote, I did observe five members of the third party standing. However, I did not hear whether you deferred the vote or not. That's what I was eagerly waiting for, because that's the only excitement at the end of each vote, is to know whether it's been deferred or not.
The Chair: Perhaps you were distracted, but I did say "deferred."
Mrs Marland: Distracted? I'm rapt.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chair: If I may, here we are at 7:05 am on Thursday morning at Queen's Park. The doors are open. The public is invited, and they're welcome here, as they will be all day and all night, filling these galleries. I'm sure the public will assist in counting the number of people standing, should that be required. I want to welcome the public down to Queen's Park.
The Chair: The member for Welland-Thorold, did you say that you had a point of order?
Mr Kormos: Yes. The point of order, Chair, was to mention that this is a public building to which the public is invited, even here at 7:05 am on Thursday morning, all day, all night, all day, all night. Thank you.
The Chair: It's not quite a point of order.
Mrs Marland: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I would suggest to you that we now have won, since the member for Welland-Thorold is begging for the public to come in here and oppose this legislation. If the public were as concerned as he was, I would suggest that they might be here.
The Chair: That's not a point of order.
Mr Kormos: Chair, the public is here, and the public has been here all night, and they'll be here today, they'll be here this morning, they'll be here this afternoon, they'll be here tonight, they'll be here at 2 in the morning, at 4 in the morning and 5 in the morning, just like they're watching on their televisions across Ontario.
The Chair: Now we'll deal with serious matters.
An NDP motion: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Araz Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Araz Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation.'"
Interjections.
The Chair: There should be no discussions or exchange of words between the gallery and the members on the floor.
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.
0710
The Second Deputy Chair: This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arbordell living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arbordell living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is this committee in favour of this NDP motion? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote has been deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arbordell Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arbordell Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is this committee in favour of this NDP motion? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote has been deferred.
The member for Welland-Thorold on a point of order.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chair: You can just call me Pete or Peter Kormos, if you wish. Chair, even with my earpiece, the rapidity with which you're reading these, you're incoherent and slurred. I can't understand what the Chair is reading on to the record.
The Second Deputy Chair: Please sit down. I'm doing the very best I can. If you can hear it, fine; if not, you'll have to be quiet.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Can I sit closer to the Chair, perhaps at the table? That might be of assistance.
The Second Deputy Chair: You can sit anywhere, as long as you're quiet.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arborwood Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arborwood Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is this committee in favour of this NDP motion? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arbroath Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arbroath Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is this committee in favour of this NDP motion? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arbutus Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arbutus Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is this committee in favour of this NDP motion? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chair: This is not an auction sale. This sounds like something out of a TV sitcom. As I say, Chair, I wish you'd listen to yourself, because your speech is growing increasingly slurred and incoherent. We can't understand what you're saying. None of us have all of these amendments before us. If the Chair would arrange for these amendments to be photocopied, so that each member would have a copy of these amendments, then I could tolerate your slurred, incoherent manner of reading these on to the record. But otherwise, I'm telling you, Chair, we simply can't understand what you're saying, nor can the public listening at home or the people here in the galleries at 7:20 in the morning on Thursday. This is grossly unfair to the members of the public, who want to hear what you're saying and who don't have earpieces and who can't, as I'm able to, stand beside you and read as you're reading.
The Second Deputy Chair: We'll ask you to just follow along in the copy you have. If it sounds slurred to you, then you can leave any time. I'm going to be here till 10 after 9.
Mrs Marland: On the same point of order, Mr Chair: I'm sorry that the member for Welland-Thorold is having difficulty hearing you and is suggesting that you are slurred and incoherent, because I think that is a very rude comment to make to the Chair, because you are neither slurred nor incoherent. It's all gamesmanship on the part of the member for Welland-Thorold, because he knows full well that every single one of these NDP amendments that we've now been reading for 18 hours is identical wording all the way through the amendment except for one word that changes, and that's the name of the street. For him to sit there and say that he needs a copy in front of him -- it's very easy if he wants to read each street individually. The NDP amendments are sitting in a box right in front of his desk. He has full access to reading them himself. I think it's a little unfortunate that he is insulting you through his own gamesmanship.
The Second Deputy Chair: I am so glad --
Mr Kormos: It's no insult, Chair, no insult at all.
The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat. I'd like to compliment the member for Mississauga South on her hearing, excellent.
The member for Scarborough-Agincourt had a point of order. One moment, please.
I will not tolerate being interrupted. I am chairing this meeting, and if you have a point, I'd like you to stand up and get my attention without this interruption. I'm warning you.
Mr Kormos: A point of order, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: No. The Chair recognizes the member for Scarborough-Agincourt on a point of order.
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Mr Gerry Phillips (Scarborough-Agincourt): Thank you, Mr Speaker, and I too would like to come to your defence. I can understand what you are saying, clearly. I think you're performing an important role. I think the public recognize that we are dealing with a bill that Mike Harris, when he was in opposition, said that he would never get rid of the city of Scarborough or the city of Toronto.
We're dealing with a bill where overwhelmingly, the people of Ontario have voted against it, the people of Metropolitan Toronto, 75% voted against it. We're dealing with a bill where we now have the incredible idea of 57 people on a council, a completely unworkable, crazy idea.
I'm very supportive of you, Mr Speaker, in ensuring that the people of Ontario have an opportunity to properly review it. So you certainly have my support.
The Second Deputy Chair: That really is not a point of order. The Chair recognizes the member for Welland-Thorold.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I want to make it quite clear that I have no concerns about your capacity as a Chair. All I am saying is that already my office has received two phone calls from members of public who are saying that you're reading so quickly that your speech is slurred and incoherent. They can't understand what you're saying.
If there were words across the bottom, it might improve it. I didn't mean any disrespect to you, but you are simply reading too quickly, such that your language -- you're not enunciating, Chair, and you can't last long at that pace. It simply isn't going to last long.
Mr Wildman: Mr Chair, on a point of order, could I suggest --
The Second Deputy Chair: No, no. Please take your seat.
Mr Wildman: I just wanted to suggest --
The Second Deputy Chair: You will take your seat, or I will name you. I want to address the member for Welland-Thorold.
Interjection.
The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order. This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arcade Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arcade Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is this committee in favour of this NDP motion? All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. I declare this motion lost.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arcadian Cir living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arcadian Cir living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is this committee in favour of this NDP motion? All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion -- yes, your point of order?
Mr Kormos: Chair, I just listened to the French-language version of your reading of these, and I note that the interpreter simply cannot keep up with you. It would be impossible for the most fluent and capable French-language interpreter to do that.
To deny French-language viewers the right to hear this in the French language is an insult to them and a violation, quite frankly, of Bill 8. In the name, sir, of Bill 8, please address this in a clear and clearly enunciated manner so that the interpreters, hardworking people for whom I know you have regard, can properly and adequately and accurately translate your English language to the French language. I beg you sir. You're doing a disservice to the interpreters and to our French-language viewers.
Your slurred words and the rapidity with which you're reading these are doing a disservice across this province, sir.
The Second Deputy Chair: I would remind the member that this is Bill 103.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Archer Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Archer Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is this committee in favour of this NDP motion? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Archerhill Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Archerhill Drive living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is this committee in favour of this NDP motion? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Archway Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Archway Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Archwood Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Archwood Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arcot Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arcot Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardagh Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardagh Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardell Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardell Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This also is an NDP motion: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arden Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arden Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Arden Thorpe Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Arden Thorpe Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardgowan Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardgowan Crescent living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardmore Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardmore Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
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This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardrossan Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardrossan Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this House this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardmore Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardmore Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
An NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardtrea Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardtrea Avenue living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardua Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardua Street living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." You can't vote if you're not in your seat. All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Mr Wildman: On a point of order, Mr Chair: We've received a call from Mr Bill Russell of the city of Toronto who's watching TV and is upset that the Speaker is talking too fast. Mr Russell wants to hear and follow what's going on and asked me to pass this on to you, so I'm doing that.
Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Chair: I was upstairs making some inquiries over the last few minutes. I am deathly afraid of whether or not Hansard will be able to accurately transcribe what the Chair is reading on to the record. I am also very fearful that notwithstanding the high-tech nature of the closed-captioning, it simply doesn't have the capacity to acknowledge slurred and incoherent speech.
In that respect, with concern about the integrity of this very proceeding, without a Hansard record we're doomed to have to repeat this, I fear. We may have to undergo the whole process of addressing all these motions again, some 11,000-plus of them. Chair, I prevail upon you, in the interests of the integrity of this Parliament, to please enunciate and avoid your slurred and incoherent style.
The Second Deputy Chair: I've already ruled. That is not a point of order, and this Chair is taking a little bit of exception to your personal comments towards me and I am considering it very seriously because I don't want it to continue.
Mr Phillips: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: Just on behalf of the Speaker, to once again say that we are very supportive of the work you're doing. We're dealing with a bill that I think the public understand goes 100% contrary to what Mike Harris said before the election. He said, "No megacity," and now he's got a megacity. As you know, Mr Speaker, over 75% of the people voted and said no to this bill. We now find amendments, as you pointed out, introduced just a few days ago with a 57-member council, and every person I've talked to, including most of the Conservative back bench, thinks it's crazy -- 57 people on a council.
I think you're doing a fine job. I think the people of Ontario are beginning to recognize what we're dealing with here: Mike Harris broke his promise on the megacity, the people of Metropolitan Toronto said no, and the amendments are crazy. The Conservative amendments are crazy. A 57-person council won't work. You have our full support, Mr Speaker, as you attempt to point out to the people of Ontario we're dealing with a bill that is completely wrong.
The Second Deputy Chair: I'll address that in a moment.
Mrs Marland: Mr Chair, I believe that you've now been insulted three times by the member for Welland-Thorold in his suggestion that your speech is slurred and incoherent. I find that absolutely unacceptable and distasteful and frankly I think you should exercise your prerogative to ask him to withdraw his comments describing how you are speaking, because if there's one person in this House who shouldn't accuse anybody else about whether their speech is slurred and incoherent, it's the member for Welland-Thorold.
Mr Kormos: I should address this, Chair.
The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat.
Mr Kormos: Ms Marland has raised --
The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat. I am warning the member to take his seat. I am ruling that is not on the same point of order and I'm addressing the point of order that is not a point of order for the member for Scarborough-Agincourt.
Mr Kormos: On a point of privilege, Chair: I'm so concerned that Ms Marland might be suggesting that I'm suggesting something that I'm not. Don't shoot the messenger. The building is in an uproar. The city's in an uproar. People across Ontario are trying to watch this and understand what these motions are saying and you're not enunciating. Chair, don't shoot the messenger. Certainly no disrespect to you, of all people, but it's incomprehensible when you go and watch it on television. Chair, I invite you to go watch it on television as you're speaking and you'll understand what people are saying.
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The Second Deputy Chair: First of all, this Chair is conducting this meeting for the people in this committee only. So I'm ruling that it's not a matter of privilege whether people on television can hear.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardwick Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardwick Boulevard living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ardwold Gate living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ardwold Gate living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ares Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ares Court living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argate Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argate Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argentia living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argentia living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This also is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argo Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argo Road living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
This is an NDP motion:
"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:
"`Public consultation
"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Argonaut Place in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:
"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Argonaut Place living in the urban area.
"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.
"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.
"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.
"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,
"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,
"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,
"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,
"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"
Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.
Report continues in volume D.