Thursday December 2, 1999

Jeudi 2 décembre 1999

Prayers 10:00 A.M.		Prières 10 H
Mr. Ouellette moved,		M. Ouellette propose,
Second Reading of Bill 15, An Act to regulate the discharge of ballast water in the Great Lakes.		Deuxième lecture du projet de loi 15, Loi réglementant le déchargement de l'eau de lest dans les Grands Lacs.
A debate arising, at 11:00 a.m., further proceedings were reserved until 12:00 noon.		À 11 h, la suite du débat est réservée jusqu'à midi.
Mr. Gravelle then moved,		Ensuite, M. Gravelle propose,
Second Reading of Bill 10, An Act to bring health and safety programs to Ontario students.		Deuxième lecture du projet de loi 10, Loi visant à offrir des programmes de santé et de sécurité aux étudiants de l'Ontario.
The question having been put on the motion for Second Reading of Bill 15, An Act to regulate the discharge of ballast water in the Great Lakes, it was declared carried and the Bill was accordingly read the second time and Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on General Government.		La motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 15, Loi réglementant le déchargement de l'eau de lest dans les Grands Lacs, mise aux voix, est déclarée adoptée et le projet de loi est en conséquence lu une deuxième fois et déféré au Comité permanent des affaires gouvernementales.
The question having been put on the motion for Second Reading of Bill 10, An Act to bring health and safety programs to Ontario students, it was carried on the following division:-		La motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 10, Loi visant à offrir des programmes de santé et de sécurité aux étudiants de l'Ontario, mise aux voix, est adoptée par le vote suivant:-
	AYES / POUR - 35
Agostino	DeFaria		McGuinty
Bartolucci	Duncan		McLeod
Bountrogianni	Gerretsen		O'Toole
Boyer	Gravelle		Parsons
Bradley	Hoy		Patten
Bryant	Kennedy		Peters
Caplan	Kwinter		Phillips
Christopherson	Lalonde		Pupatello
Churley	Levac		Ramsay
Cleary	Martel		Ruprecht
Colle	Martin		Smitherman
Crozier	Mazzilli
	NAYS / CONTRE - 21
Baird	Gill		Mushinski
Barrett	Hastings		Ouellette
Beaubien	Klees		Stewart
Clark	Martiniuk		Tascona
Dunlop	Maves		Tilson
Elliott	Munro		Wettlaufer
Gilchrist	Murdoch		Wood

And the Bill was accordingly read the second time and Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Social Policy.	En conséquence, ce projet de loi est lu une deuxième fois et déféré au Comité permanent de la justice et des affaires sociales.
1:30 P.M.	13 H 30

The Speaker addressed the House as follows:-

I beg to inform the House that I have today laid upon the Table the Individual Members' Expenditures for the fiscal year 1998-99 (Sessional Paper No. 33).

Reports by Committees	Rapports des Comités

Mr Kennedy from the Standing Committee on Estimates reported the following Resolution:-

Resolved, That Supply in the following amounts and to defray the expenses of the following ministries be granted to Her Majesty for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000:-

MINISTRY OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING

1901 Ministry Administration $ 29,025,400

1902 Local Government 236,302,500

1903 Land Use Planning 15,511,400

1904 Social Housing 992,910,100

1905 Housing Market 27,020,100

1906 Building Regulation 3,972,100

MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND TRAINING

1001 Ministry Administration $ 22,773,000

1002 Elementary and Secondary Education 8,001,063,900

1003 Postsecondary Education 4,019,987,000

1004 Training and Employment 280,203,800

Introduction of Bills	Dépôt des Projets de Loi
The following Bill was introduced and read the first time:-	Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois:-
Bill 24, An Act to amend the Highway Traffic Act to protect children while on school buses. Mr. Hoy.	Projet de loi 24, Loi modifiant le Code de la route en vue de protéger les enfants lorsqu'ils sont dans des autobus scolaires. M. Hoy.
Motions	Motions
With unanimous consent, on motion by Mr. Sterling,	Avec le consentement unanime, sur la motion de M. Sterling,
Ordered, That, the Standing Committee on General Government, for the purpose of selecting an Environmental Commissioner, and the Standing Committee on the Legislative Assembly, for the purpose of selecting an Ombudsman, may, at the call of the Chair, sit outside their regularly scheduled meeting times, between Monday, December 6, 1999 and Thursday, December 16, 1999.
Petitions	Pétitions

Petition relating to the Northern Health Travel Grant program (Sessional Paper No. P-1) Mr. Brown and Mrs. McLeod.

Petition relating to Hiring of additional Ministry of Transportation road testing staff and opening further testing offices (Sessional Paper No. P-12) Mr. Barrett.

Petition relating to Support of a two-county model for Norfolk and Haldimand counties (Sessional Paper No. P-30) Mr. Barrett.

Petition relating to the Link between cancer and occupation (Sessional Paper No. P-32) Mr. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Compensating family members who develop occupational illness due to workplace toxins brought home inadvertently (Sessional Paper No. P-34) Mr. Christopherson.

Petition relating to the Government of Ontario ensuring that Karla Homolka serves her full sentence in prison (Sessional Paper No. P-38) Mrs. Mushinski, Mr. Newman and Mr. O'Toole.

Orders of the Day	Ordre du Jour

The Order for Second Reading of Bill 23, An Act to amend certain statutes administered by the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care in relation to supporting and managing the health care system having been called,

The Acting Speaker recessed the House for 15 minutes to permit the Speaker to consider the point of order relating to Bill 23 raised earlier by the Member for Thunder Bay-Atikokan.

Upon the Speaker's return, with unanimous consent, the House recessed for a further 10 minutes.

Upon his return, the Speaker delivered the following ruling:

Earlier today, the Member for Thunder Bay-Atikokan rose on a point of order concerning the orderliness of Bill 23, An Act amend certain statutes administered by the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care in relation to supporting and managing the health care system.

To the extent that the Bill amends 3 different statutes, the Member is correct in her assertion that Bill 23 is an omnibus bill, as it demands one decision on a number of different subjects.

However, there is certainly no lack of precedent in this House for omnibus legislation.

In recent years, bills which have amended many more than the 3 statutes being amended in Bill 23 have been found to be in order. Indeed, many bills which have amended numerous statutes across a number of different ministries have been found to be in order. The simple size of a bill or the breadth of its impact does not, in and of itself, render a bill out of order.

The test of the orderliness of such bills, and of Bill 23, is that its contents share a theme of relevancy and that the contents fall generally under the umbrella raised by the long title of the Bill. In the case of Bill 23 I find this to be the case.

I would note that numerous omnibus bills whose contents were somewhat more disparate and wide-ranging than Bill 23 have been found to be in order in this House by previous Speakers, who considered them to be acceptably consistent with parliamentary practice.

As a result of my review of Bill 23 and being guided by the numerous decisions of my predecessors on similar bills, to which I have alluded, I find Bill 23 to be in order.

I would also like to address the Member's comments concerning the lack of notice related to the consideration of this Bill. The Member will know that our Standing Orders do not require any Member to give notice to the House of their intention to introduce a bill. Whether a Private Members' Bill or a Government Bill, all Members become aware of the bill at the same time - when it is introduced. When it is printed, all Members receive it at the same time. Bill 23 has certainly not deviated on these counts, and it is now properly before this House. If this bill is to be called for debate today as the Member for Thunder Bay-Atikokan has asserted, I find no procedural difficulty in that fact.

Having made this determination however, let me say this: the use of omnibus bills causes me increasing concern. As other Speakers have suggested, there may come a point when we have gone too far. I take what the Member for Hamilton West has said seriously. The opportunities for Members in this place to give due and sufficient consideration to legislation should be respected, and evolving practice over the last several years has tended to work against that.

A debate then arose on the motion for Second Reading of Bill 23, An Act to amend certain statutes administered by the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care in relation to supporting and managing the health care system.	Ensuite, il s'élève un débat sur la motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 23, Loi modifiant certaines lois dont l'application relève du ministère de la Santé et des Soins de longue durée en ce qui concerne le soutien et la gestion du système de soins de santé.
After some time, pursuant to Standing Order 9(a), the motion for adjournment of the debate was deemed to have been made and carried.	Après quelque temps, conformément à l'article 9(a) du Règlement, la motion d'ajournement du débat est réputée avoir été proposée et adoptée.
The House then adjourned at 6:10 p.m.	À 18 h 10, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.
le président GARY CARR Speaker
SESSIONAL PAPERS PRESENTED PURSUANT TO STANDING ORDER 39(A):-	DOCUMENTS PARLEMENTAIRES DÉPOSÉS CONFORMÉMENT À L'ARTICLE 39(A) DU RÈGLEMENT

Ontario New Home Warranty Program, Annual Report 1998 (No. 34).

Ontario Road Safety Annual Report 1997 (No. 35).

STATUS OF LEGISLATION	ÉTAT DE L'AVANCEMENT DES PROJETS DE LOI
PUBLIC BILLS INDEX	INDEX DES PROJETS DE LOI D'INTÉRÊT PUBLIC
(Government and Private Members')	(Gouvernement et Députés)

Air Traffic Noise (see Assessment (Air Traffic Noise))

Ancient Parliamentary Right. Hon. Mr. Harris. Bill - 1

Amendments Because of the Supreme Court of Canada Decision in M. v. H. Hon. Mr. Flaherty. Bill - 5

Assessment (Air Traffic Noise). Mr. DeFaria. Bill - 19

Budget (see Taxpayer Protection and Balanced Budget)

Children (see Protection of Children involved in Prostitution)

Environmental Protection (see Great Lakes Environmental Protection)

Fairness is a Two-Way Street (Miners and Forestry Workers). Mr. Ramsay. Bill - 21

Food Bank Accountability. Mr. Spina. Bill - 20

Gasoline Pricing. Mr. Bradley. Bill - 16

Gas Price Watchdog. Mr. Colle. Bill - 18

Government Advertising Standards (see Taxpayer Protection (Government Advertising Standards)

Great Lakes Environmental Protection. Mr. Ouellette. Bill - 15

Health and Safety (see Student Health and Safety Programs)

Ipperwash. (see Truth About Ipperwash)

Jobs (see More Tax Cuts for Jobs, Growth and Prosperity)

Legislative Assembly. Hon. Mr. Sterling. Bill - 4

Long-Term Care (see Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care Statute Law)

M. v. H. (see Amendments Because of the Supreme Court of Canada Decision in M. v. H.)

Medicine. Mr. Kwinter. Bill - 2

Miners and Forestry Workers (see Fairness is a Two-Way Street (Miners and Forestry Workers))

Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care Statute Law. Hon. Mrs. Witmer. Bill - 23

More Tax Cuts for Jobs, Growth and Prosperity. Hon. Mr. Eves. Bill - 14

Non-profit Agencies (see Police Records Checks by Non-profit Agencies)

Oak Ridges Moraine Protection and Preservation. Mr. Colle. Bill - 12

Ontario Marine Heritage. Mr. Barrett. Bill - 13

Police Records Checks by Non-profit Agencies. Mr. Kormos. Bill - 9

Protection of Children involved in Prostitution. Mr. Bartolucci. Bill - 6

Protection of Children on School Buses. Mr. Hoy. Bill - 24

Red Tape Reduction. Hon. Mr. Runciman. Bill - 11

Safe Streets. Hon. Mr. Flaherty. Bill - 8

School Buses (see Protection of Children on School Buses)

Sergeant Rick McDonald Memorial (Suspect Apprehension Pursuits). Hon. Mr. Tsubouchi. Bill - 22

Student Health and Safety Programs. Mr. Gravelle. Bill - 10

Suspect Apprehension (see Sergeant Rick McDonald Memorial (Suspect Apprehension Pursuits))

Taxpayer Protection and Balanced Budget. Hon. Mr. Harris. Bill - 7

Taxpayer Protection (Government Advertising Standards). Mr. McGuinty. Bill - 17

Truth About Ipperwash. Mr. Phillips. Bill - 3

PRIVATE BILLS INDEX

INDEX DES PROJETS DE LOI D'INTÈRÊT PRIVÉ

Association of Registered Interior Designers of Ontario. Mr. Wood. Bill - Pr6

Blue Mountain Village Association. Mr. Murdoch. Bill - Pr14

Harbourfront Trailer Park Ltd. Mr. Dunlop. Bill - Pr1

North Kawartha, Township of. Mr. Stewart. Bill - Pr8

Pembridge Insurance Company. Mr. Wood. Bill - Pr13

Peterborough Regional Health Centre. Mr. Stewart. Bill - Pr3

Pickering, Town of. Mr. O'Toole. Bill - Pr7

Registered Interior Designers of Ontario (see Association of Registered Interior Designers of Ontario)

Government Bills And Private Members' Public Bills

Projets de loi émanant du Gouvernement Et Projets De loi d'intérêt public émanant des députés

Bill 1, An Act to perpetuate an Ancient Parliamentary Right/Loi visant à perpétuer un ancien droit parlementaire. Hon. Mr. Harris (Premier and President of the Council). First Reading October 21, 1999.

Bill 2, Medicine Amendment Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 modifiant la Loi sur les médecins. Mr. Kwinter (L./York Centre). First Reading October 25, 1999.

Bill 3, Truth About Ipperwash Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 concernant la vérité sur Ipperwash. Mr. Phillips (L./Scarborough--Agincourt). First Reading October 25, 1999.

Bill 4, Legislative Assembly Statute Law Amendment Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 modifiant des lois en ce qui a trait à l'Assemblée législative. Hon. Mr. Sterling (Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Government House Leader). First Reading October 25, 1999. Second Reading and Third Reading October 27. Royal Assent October 28. S.O. 1999, Chapter 5.

Bill 5, Amendments Because of the Supreme Court of Canada Decision in M. v. H. Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 modifiant des lois en raison de la décision de la Cour suprême du Canada dans l'arrêt M. c. H. Hon. Mr. Flaherty (Attorney General (and Native Affairs)). First Reading October 25, 1999. Second Reading and Third Reading October 27. Royal Assent October 28. S.O. 1999, Chapter 6.

Bill 6, Protection of Children involved in Prostitution Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur la protection des enfants qui se livrent à la prostitution. Mr. Bartolucci (L./Sudbury). First Reading October 26, 1999.

Bill 7, Taxpayer Protection and Balanced Budget Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur la protection des contribuables et l'équilibre budgétaire. Hon. Mr. Harris (Premier and President of the Council). First Reading October 26, 1999. Second Reading debated November 2, 4, 15. Time allocated November 17. Second Reading carried November 22. Ordered for Third Reading. Third Reading debated November 22. Carried on division November 23.

Bill 8, Safe Streets Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur la sécurité dans les rues. Hon. Mr. Flaherty (Attorney General (and Native Affairs)). First Reading November 2, 1999. Second Reading debated November 15, 16, 17. Time allocated November 18. Second Reading carried November 22. Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Social Policy. Considered November 29, 30. Reported without amendment December 1. Ordered for Third Reading.

Bill 9, Police Records Checks by Non-profit Agencies Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur les vérifications des dossiers de police par les agences sans but lucratif. Mr. Kormos (N.D./Niagara Centre). First Reading November 2, 1999. Second Reading November 4. Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Social Policy. Considered November 23.

Bill 10, Student Health and Safety Programs Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur les programmes de santé et de sécurité pour étudiants. Mr. Gravelle (L./Thunder Bay--Superior North). First Reading November 3, 1999. Second Reading carried on division December 2. Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Social Policy.

Bill 11, Red Tape Reduction Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 visant à réduire les formalités administratives. Hon. Mr. Runciman (Minister of Consumer and Commercial Relations). First Reading November 4, 1999. Second Reading debated November 25. Carried on division November 29. Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on General Government. Time allocated December 1.

Bill 12, Oak Ridges Moraine Protection and Preservation Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur la protection et la préservation de la moraine d'Oak Ridges. Mr. Colle (L./Eglinton--Lawrence). First Reading November 4, 1999.

Bill 13, Ontario Marine Heritage Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur le patrimoine marin de l'Ontario. Mr. Barrett (P.C./Haldimand--Norfolk--Brant). First Reading November 15, 1999. Second Reading November 25, 1999. Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on General Government.

Bill 14, More Tax Cuts for Jobs, Growth and Prosperity Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 réduisant de nouveau les impôts pour stimuler l'emploi, la croissance et la prospérité. Hon. Mr. Eves (Minister of Finance). First Reading November 16, 1999. Second Reading debated November 22, 23, 24. Time allocated November 29. Second Reading carried on division November 30. Ordered for Third Reading. Third Reading debated November 30. Carried on division December 1.

Bill 15, Great Lakes Environmental Protection Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur la protection environnementale des Grands Lacs. Mr. Ouellette (P.C./Oshawa). First Reading November 16, 1999. Second Reading December 2. Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on General Government.

Bill 16, Gasoline Pricing Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur le prix de l'essence. Mr. Bradley (L./St. Catharines). First Reading November 17, 1999.

Bill 17, Taxpayer Protection Act (Government Advertising Standards), 1999/Loi de 1999 sur la protection des contribuables (normes concernant la publicité gouvernementale). Mr. McGuinty (L./Ottawa South). First Reading November 22, 1999.

Bill 18, Gas Price Watchdog Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur l'agent de surveillance des prix du carburant. Mr. Colle (L./Eglinton--Lawrence). First Reading November 23, 1999.

Bill 19, Assessment Amendment Act (Air Traffic Noise), 1999/Loi de 1999 modifiant la Loi sur l'évaluation foncière (bruit provoqué par la circulation aérienne). Mr. DeFaria (P.C./Mississauga East). First Reading November 24, 1999.

Bill 20, Food Bank Accountability Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur la responsabilité des banques d'alimentation. Mr. Spina (P.C./Brampton Centre). First Reading November 24, 1999.

Bill 21, Fairness is a Two-Way Street Act (Miners and Forestry Workers), 1999/Loi de 1999 portant que la justice n'est pas à sens unique (mineurs et travailleurs forestiers). Mr. Ramsay (L./Timiskaming--Cochrane). First Reading November 24, 1999.

Bill 22, Sergeant Rick McDonald Memorial Act (Suspect Apprehension Pursuits), 1999/Loi de 1999 commémorant le sergent Rick McDonald (poursuites en vue d'appréhender des suspects). Hon. Mr. Tsubouchi (Solicitor General). First Reading November 25, 1999.

Bill 23, Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care Statute Law Amendment Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 modifiant des lois en ce qui concerne le ministère de la Santé et des Soins de longue durée. Hon. Mrs. Witmer (Minister of Health and Long-Term Care). First Reading November 30, 1999. Second Reading debated December 2.

Bill 24, Protection of Children on School Buses Act, 1999/Loi de 1999 sur la protection des enfants dans les autobus scolaires. Mr. Hoy (L./Chatham--Kent Essex). First Reading December 2, 1999.

PRIVATE BILLS

PROJETS DE LOI D'INTÉRÊT PRIVÉ

Bill Pr1, Harbourfront Trailer Park Ltd. Act, 1999. Mr. Dunlop (P.C./Simcoe North). First Reading November 3, 1999. Referred to the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills. Considered and reported without amendment November 24.

Bill Pr3, Peterborough Regional Health Centre Act, 1999. Mr. Stewart (P.C./Peterborough). First Reading November 3, 1999. Referred to the Commissioners of Estate Bills.

Bill Pr6, Association of Registered Interior Designers of Ontario Act, 1999. Mr. Wood (P.C./London West). First Reading November 29, 1999. Referred to the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills.

Bill Pr7, Pickering Act, 1999, Town of. Mr. O'Toole (P.C./Durham). First Reading November 17, 1999. Referred to the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills. Considered and reported without amendment November 24.

Bill Pr8, North Kawartha, Act, 1999, Township of. Mr. Stewart (P.C./Peterborough). First Reading November 3, 1999. Referred to the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills. Considered and reported as amended November 24.

Bill Pr13, Pembridge Insurance Company Act, 1999. Mr. Wood (P.C./London West). First Reading November 15, 1999. Referred to the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills. Considered and reported without amendment November 24.

Bill Pr14, Blue Mountain Village Association Act, 1999. Mr. Murdoch (P.C./Bruce--Grey). First Reading November 23, 1999. Referred to the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills.