37th Parliament, 2nd Session

No. 5

No 5

Votes and Proceedings

Procès-verbaux

Legislative Assembly
of Ontario

Assemblée législative
de l'Ontario

Thursday
April 26, 2001


Morning and
Daytime Meeting - Sessional Day 6

Jeudi
26 avril 2001


Séance du matin et
de l'après-midi - jour de session 6

2nd Session,
37th Parliament

2e session
37e législature

Prayers
10:00 A.M.

Prières
10 H

Mr. Hastings moved,

M. Hastings propose,

Second Reading of Bill 4, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act to provide a tax credit for contributions to registered education savings plans.

Deuxième lecture du projet de loi 4, Loi modifiant la Loi de l'impôt sur le revenu en vue de prévoir un crédit d'impôt pour les cotisations versées à un régime enregistré d'épargne-études.

During the debate, on a point of order being raised concerning the orderliness of the Bill with respect to Standing Order 56, the Deputy Speaker recessed the House for 5 minutes.

Upon his return, citing the following from the ruling of the Speaker of June 4, 1998,

"With respect to the orderliness of [the Bill], it does not impose a tax; indeed, it does the opposite in alleviating a tax. It does not specifically allocate public funds; its passage may cause the government to forego a certain amount of revenue, and thereby impose a burden on the Consolidated Revenue Fund, but this equates only indirectly to an expenditure. There are ample precedents fully supporting the permissibility of such a proposal."

the Deputy Speaker found the Bill to be in order.

The debate continued and at 11:00 a.m., further proceedings were reserved until 12:00 noon.

Le débat se poursuit et à 11 h, la suite du débat est réservée jusqu'à midi.

Mr. Bartolucci then moved,

Ensuite, M. Bartolucci propose,

Second Reading of Bill 2, An Act respecting Accountability for Ministerial Travel.

Deuxième lecture du projet de loi 2, Loi concernant l'obligation de rendre compte des voyages ministériels.

The question having been put on the motion for Second Reading of Bill 4, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act to provide a tax credit for contributions to registered education savings plans, was carried on the following division:-

La motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 2, Loi concernant l'obligation de rendre compte des voyages ministériels, mise aux voix, est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 74

Agostino

Arnott

Baird

Barrett

Bartolucci

Beaubien

Bisson

Bountrogianni

Boyer

Bradley

Bryant

Caplan

Chudleigh

Churley

Clark

Cleary

Clement

Coburn

Colle

Cordiano

Crozier

Cunningham

Curling

Di Cocco

Dombrowsky

Duncan

Dunlop

Ecker

Elliott

Galt

Gilchrist

Gill

Hardeman

Hastings

Jackson

Johns

Johnson

Klees

Kormos

Kwinter

Lalonde

Marchese

Marland

Martel

Martin

Martiniuk

Maves

Miller

Molinari

Munro

Mushinski

Newman

O'Toole

Ouellette

Peters

Phillips

Pupatello

Ramsay

Runciman

Ruprecht

Sampson

Smitherman

Spina

Stewart

Stockwell

Tascona

Tilson

Tsubouchi

Turnbull

Wettlaufer

Wilson

Witmer

Wood

Young

NAYS / CONTRE - 0

And the Bill was accordingly read the second time and Ordered referred to the Standing Committee on General Government.

En conséquence, ce projet de loi est lu une deuxième fois et déféré au Comité permanent des affaires gouvernementales.

The question having been put on the motion for Second Reading of Bill 2, An Act respecting Accountability for Ministerial Travel, was carried on the following division:-

La motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 2, Loi concernant l'obligation de rendre compte des voyages ministériels, mise aux voix, est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 72

Agostino

Baird

Barrett

Bartolucci

Beaubien

Bisson

Bountrogianni

Boyer

Bradley

Bryant

Caplan

Chudleigh

Churley

Clark

Cleary

Clement

Coburn

Colle

Cordiano

Crozier

Cunningham

Curling

Di Cocco

Dombrowsky

Duncan

Dunlop

Ecker

Elliott

Galt

Gilchrist

Gill

Hardeman

Hastings

Jackson

Johns

Johnson

Klees

Kormos

Kwinter

Lalonde

Marchese

Marland

Martel

Martin

Martiniuk

Maves

Miller

Molinari

Munro

Mushinski

Newman

O'Toole

Ouellette

Peters

Phillips

Pupatello

Ramsay

Runciman

Ruprecht

Sampson

Smitherman

Spina

Stewart

Stockwell

Tascona

Tilson

Tsubouchi

Turnbull

Wettlaufer

Wilson

Witmer

Young

NAYS / CONTRE - 1

Wood

And the Bill was accordingly read the second time and Ordered referred to the Committee of the Whole House.

En conséquence, ce projet de loi est lu une deuxième fois et déféré au Comité plénir.

1:30 P.M.

13 H 30

The Speaker addressed the House as follows:-

I beg to inform the House that, pursuant to Standing Order 69(b), the House Leader of the Third Party, the Member for Niagara Centre, has notified the Clerk of his intention to file notice of a reasoned amendment to the motion for Second Reading of Bill 13, An Act to resolve labour disputes affecting the Toronto District School Board and the Windsor-Essex Catholic District School Board.

The Order for Second Reading of Bill 13 may therefore not be called today.

The Speaker delivered the following ruling:-

Earlier today, the Member for Eglinton-Lawrence, Mr. Colle, provided me with written notice of a point of privilege, as required by Standing Order 21(c). I would like to thank the Member for giving me sufficient time to carefully review this matter.

I wish to advise that I will be deciding on this matter without further hearing directly from the Member at this time, as Standing Order 21(d) permits me to do.

The Member's point of privilege relates to difficulties he has encountered in attempting to obtain property assessment information for properties within his electoral district, from the Ontario Property Assessment Corporation, OPAC.

The Member alleges that OPAC's lack of cooperation in this matter has frustrated his ability to carry out his duties as an MPP and is therefore a breach of privilege.

In similar previous instances, and as recently in this House as October 16, 2000, Speakers have consistently found -- supported by the procedural authorities and a multitude of precedents -- that privilege attaches only to a Member's parliamentary duties, and not to subsidiary duties away from Parliament.

Citation 92 in the 6th Edition of Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms states that,

"A valid claim of privilege in respect to interference with a Member must relate to the Member's parliamentary duties and not to the work the Member does in relation to that Member's constituency."

The matter raised by the Member for Eglinton-Lawrence clearly relates to activities outside of this Chamber and are unconnected with the Member's parliamentary duties.

Therefore, I find that a prima facie case of privilege has not been established.

Introduction of Bills

Dépôt des Projets de Loi

The following Bills were introduced and read the first time:-

Les projets de loi suivants sont présentés et lus une première fois:-

Bill 16, An Act to amend the Education Act to restore peace in our schools. Mr. McGuinty.

Projet de loi 16, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'éducation pour rétablir la paix dans les écoles. M. McGuinty.

Bill 17, An Act to ensure responsible and acceptable development and to protect the natural heritage of the Province of Ontario. Mr. Gilchrist.

Projet de loi 17, Loi visant à assurer l'aménagement judicieux et acceptable du territoire et à protéger le patrimoine naturel de la province de l'Ontario. M. Gilchrist.

Bill 18, An Act to recognize the emblem of the Ontario French-speaking community. Mr. Lalonde.

Projet de loi 18, Loi visant à reconnaître l'emblème de la communauté francophone de l'Ontario. M. Lalonde.

Bill 19, An Act to amend the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities Act. Hon. Mrs. Cunningham.

Projet de loi 19, Loi modifiant la Loi sur le ministère de la Formation et des Collèges et Universités. L'hon. Mme Cunningham.

Bill 20, An Act to protect persons from liability in respect of voluntary emergency medical or first aid services. Mr. Gilchrist.

Projet de loi 20, Loi visant à exonérer les personnes de la responsabilité concernant des services médicaux ou des premiers soins fournis bénévolement en cas d'urgence. M. Gilchrist.

Bill 21, An Act to amend the Executive Council Act respecting an institution of democracy in the Legislative Assembly. Mr. Smitherman.

Projet de loi 21, Loi modifiant la Loi sur le Conseil exécutif concernant une institution démocratique de l'Assemblée législative. M. Smitherman.

Bill 22, An Act to protect Children involved in Prostitution. Mr. Bartolucci.

Projet de loi 22, Loi visant à protéger les enfants qui se livrent à la prostitution. M. Bartolucci.

Bill 23, An Act to amend the Highway Traffic Act to require a driver's licence to be suspended if a motor vehicle is used when purchasing sexual services from a child. Mr. Bartolucci.

Projet de loi 23, Loi modifiant le Code criminel pour qu'il exige la suspension du permis de conduire d'une personne qui utilise un véhicule automobile alors qu'elle achète les services sexuels d'un enfant. M. Bartolucci.

Bill 24, An Act to amend the Municipal Act with respect to adult entertainment parlours. Mr. Bartolucci.

Projet de loi 24, Loi modifiant la Loi sur les municipalités à l'égard des locaux de divertissement pour adultes. M. Bartolucci.

The following Bills were introduced, read the first time and referred to the Standing Committee on Regulations and Private Bills:-

Les projets de loi suivants sont présentés, lus une première fois et déférés au Comité permanent des règlements et des projets de loi d'intérêt privé:-

Bill Pr7, An Act to revive Premium Auto Collision Inc. Mr. Hastings.

Bill Pr9, An Act respecting the Town of Newmarket. Mrs. Munro.

The following Bill was introduced, read the first time and referred to the Commissioners of Estate Bills:-

Le projet de loi suivant est présenté, lu une première fois et déféré aux Commissaires aux projets de loi ayant trait à unr duvvrddion :-

Bill Pr2, An Act respecting Wycliffe College. Mr. Smitherman.

With unanimous consent, Mrs. Ecker moved:-

That the House come back tomorrow at 1:30 p.m. to finish Second and Third Reading of Bill l3.

The question being put on the motion, it was carried.

With unanimous consent, the following Bill was read the second time and Ordered for Third Reading:-

Avec le consentement unanime, le projet de loi suivant est lu une deuxième fois et ordonné pour la troisième lecture:-

Bill 20, An Act to protect persons from liability in respect of voluntary emergency medical or first aid services.

Projet de loi 20, Loi visant à exonérer les personnes de la responsabilité concernant des services médicaux ou des premiers soins fournis bénévolement en cas d'urgence.

With unanimous consent, the following Bill was read the third time and was passed:-

Avec le consentement unanime, le projet de loi suivant est lu une troisième fois et adopté:-

Bill 20, An Act to protect persons from liability in respect of voluntary emergency medical or first aid services.

Projet de loi 20, Loi visant à exonérer les personnes de la responsabilité concernant des services bénévolement en cas d'urgence.médicaux ou des premiers soins fournis.

With unanimous consent, following remarks by Mr. Stockwell, Mr. Agostino and Mr. Hampton, the House observed a moment of silence in remembrance of Worker Memorial Day.

At 4:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(b), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings and called Orders of the Day.

À 16 heures, conformément à l'article 30(b) du Règlement, le Président interrompt les délibérations et passe à l'ordre du jour.

The Speaker addressed the House as follows:-

I wish to advise the House on the arrangements for tomorrow's special sitting of the House which was agreed to earlier today.

The motion adopted by the House was as follows: "That the House come back at 1:30 p.m. tomorrow to finish Second and Third Reading of Bill 13."

Therefore, at 1:30 p.m. tomorrow the House will immediately proceed to Orders of the Day and the Order for Second Reading of Bill 13 will be called.

Debate on Second Reading will proceed to its conclusion and the question on the motion for Second Reading will then be put.

If the motion passes, the Bill will be ordered for Third Reading and that Order will then immediately be called. The debate on Third Reading will proceed to its conclusion, and the question on the motion for Third Reading will then be put.

The House will then stand adjourned to the next Sessional Day.

I interpret the Special Order adopted earlier to mean that no deferrals of the votes on Second or Third reading will be permitted, and that the House may continue to meet past 6:00 p.m. as required.

Orders of the Day

Ordre du Jour

Debate was resumed on the Amendment to the Motion for an Address in Reply to the Speech of Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor at the Opening of the Session.

Le débat reprend sur l'amendement à la motion portant l'Adresse en réponse au discours prononcé par Son Honneur la lieutenante-gouverneure à l'ouverture de la session.

After some time, pursuant to Standing Order 9(a), the motion for adjournment of the debate was deemed to have been made and carried.

Après quelque temps, conformément à l'article 9(a) du Règlement, la motion d'ajournement du débat est réputée avoir été proposée et adoptée.

At 6:00 p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed pursuant to Standing Order 37(b).

À 18 h, la motion portant «Que la présente Assemblée ajourne les débats maintenant» est réputée avoir été proposée conformément à l'article 37(b) du Règlement.

After one matter was considered, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Après l'étude d'une question, la motion d'ajournement des débats est réputée avoir été adoptée.

The House then adjourned at 6:10 p.m.

À 18 h 10, la chambre a ensuite ajourné ses travaux.

le président

GARY CARR

Speaker

Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 39(A):-

Documents Parlementaires Déposés Conformément à l'Article 39(A) du Règlement

Compendia:

Bill 19, An Act to amend the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities Act (No. 13).

Letter to the Clerk of the House from the member for Niagara Centre advising of his intent to file notice of a reasoned amendment to the motion for second reading of Bill 13, An Act to resolve labour disputes affecting the Toronto District School Board and the Windsor-Essex Catholic District School Board (No. 12).