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CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO

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Report continued from volume D.

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CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO

Continuing consideration of Bill 103, An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto / Projet de loi 103, Loi visant à remplacer les sept administrations municipales existantes de la communauté urbaine de Toronto en constituant une nouvelle municipalité appelée la cité de Toronto.

The First Deputy Chair (Ms Marilyn Churley): NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barker Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barker Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barksdale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barksdale Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barkwin Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barkwin Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barkwood Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barkwood Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barkworth Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barkworth Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barlow Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barlow Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barmac Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barmac Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barnes Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barnes Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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Mr Tony Silipo (Dovercourt): On a point of order, Madam Chair: This is something I hope you will take as a friendly point of order because it was certainly intended that way from the caller who sent in the information. It's advice to the Chair from a former radio announcer:

"Drinking cold water is bad for your vocal cords, and with the amount of speaking that you're doing, you will lose your voice," was the advice. "In concern for you, I would recommend you to drink warm water or tea, but nothing cold."

I just pass that on to you, given that you and your colleagues at the table are doing a lot of speaking, obviously, in reading through the amendments.

The First Deputy Chair: I suppose it's technically not a point of order, but I appreciate the advice. I don't think we're allowed to bring tea in here, are we? But perhaps we'll move to warm water. Thank you.

Mr Silipo: Madam Chair, if that in fact requires unanimous consent on our part, I would certainly be very happy to seek that.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you for your concern and to the caller with the advice; it's much appreciated under the circumstances. I suspect that if we take his advice, we can move to warm water.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barnes Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barnes Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Before we move on the next amendment, I'd like to just say to both sides of the House -- again, I would preface this by saying that we're all a little tired and I think sometimes on both sides of the House we're losing a little focus. I have to remind you that you must respond "aye" or "nay" when I ask, and it must be fairly quick. I have been exercising some leeway, because I understand that people are tired, as am I, but I have to warn you that it's important that you respond right away. Thank you.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barnsley Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barnsley Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barnwell Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barnwell Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barnwood Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barnwood Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barolo Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barolo Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed to the motion, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baroness Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baroness Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion is lost.

Mr Silipo: Why, Chair?

The First Deputy Chair: There were not five people standing.

Mr Rosario Marchese (Fort York): There were seven.

The First Deputy Chair: No, there weren't. I'm sorry, I've ruled. It took too long.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baronial Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baronial Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." All those opposed to the motion, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Mr Silipo: Is that fast enough?

The First Deputy Chair: That was very good.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barrett Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barrett Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barrhead Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barrhead Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barrie Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barrie Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barrington Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barrington Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barrowcliff Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barrowcliff Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barrydale Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barrydale Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed to the motion please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barrymore Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barrymore Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barse Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barse Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bartel Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bartel Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bartlett Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bartlett Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bartley Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bartley Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barton Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barton Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Should the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bartonville Avenue West living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bartonville Avenue West living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-Woodbine): On a point of order, Madam Chair: I wanted to wait until you had completed that one before I raised this, because I don't think it affects the actual vote that was taken, the deferred vote on that one, but I notice that when you read off the street name you read Bartonville Avenue West, and as I see it in front of me, it says Bartonville Avenue W, and there's no period after the "W."

I just wanted to point out to you that we have had a ruling by a previous Chair, Mr Johnson, that given that there's no period after something like a "W," therefore it's not a proper contraction or abbreviation and therefore you couldn't actually say "West"; you would have to read it as "Bartonville Avenue Wuh." If I could give you another example, with "Gdns" as an abbreviation, he would have said "Bartonville Avenue Guhdns," not "Gardens"; or "Cir," which we thought and suggested to him would meant "Circle," would have been said "Bartonville Avenue Cir." One of the really interesting ones was "Sq," which we thought and suggested meant "Square," and he would have said "Bartonville Avenue Skwuh."

I actually appreciate and agree with your reading of these. I just wonder if it is important to the process that we have consistency between Chairs, Madam Chair. If not -- and that's why I didn't raise it before -- I think we could go along with the "West," but perhaps you could take it up with the presiding officers' table at an appropriate time.

The First Deputy Chair: Member for Beaches-Woodbine, I do want to clarify one thing seriously. You said the previous Chair made a ruling on this, so I have to confer with the table officer to see if there actually was a formal ruling.

Thank you for your indulgence while I conferred with the table officer, as I wasn't here earlier. It's the table officer's understanding that a formal ruling was not made on this, that it was the Chair's interpretation. I shall give you my interpretation. It's my understanding that the motions were passed by voice vote, so I shall proceed.

Ms Lankin: They were deferred.

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The First Deputy Chair: Well, the voice vote was dealt with. Thank you for clarifying that. I shall proceed with my interpretation.

Okay, back to NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bartor Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bartor Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barvale Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barvale Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barwell Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barwell Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Barwick Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Barwick Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Base Line West living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Base Line West living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Basin Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Basin Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Mr Tony Ruprecht (Parkdale): On a point of order, Madam Chair: I notice that this particular item deals with people on Basin Street. Is that correct?

The First Deputy Chair: That's correct.

Mr Ruprecht: You will recall that on Basin Street we do have a special home and I notice that the Minister of Health is here today and I'm wondering -- it relates to this.

Interjection.

Mr Ruprecht: Yes, I'm getting to the point, Madam Chair, that on Basin Street we have a psychiatric home. We want to know how the 253 beds that the minister is trying to cut from psychiatric services is going to affect the residents on Basin Street.

The First Deputy Chair: Member for Parkdale, take your seat. Member for Parkdale, you know, you've been around here long enough to know that in the committee of the whole House that cannot be raised; that is for question period. Perhaps you'll get an opportunity to ask that question later on. Let's move on.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baskerville Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baskerville Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Basking Ridge living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Basking Ridge living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy'" --

Mr Ruprecht: Madam Speaker, on a point of order.

The First Deputy Chair: Can you wait until I go through?

Mr Ruprecht: No, this is very important. I'd like to know if this is Basking Ridge crescent or Basking Ridge road.

The First Deputy Chair: It simply says on the sheet I have, "the residents of Basking Ridge." It does not specify.

Mr Ruprecht: Madam Speaker, that's precisely my point, that Basking Ridge itself is obviously not a street, an avenue, a boulevard or a crescent. I think the addition --

The First Deputy Chair: Are you asking the NDP who submitted this to withdraw it, therefore?

Mr Ruprecht: No, not to withdraw it. I'm just asking that amendment to be amended so that the proper street and address can be identified, because it is of some importance that residents of Basking Ridge ville -- no. But that's precisely the point, you see.

Mr Bud Wildman (Algoma): Basking Ridge et al.

Mr Ruprecht: "Basking Ridge et al." Okay, that's very helpful.

The First Deputy Chair: I appreciate your point of order.

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Could I have order, please.

I understand this came up as well last night and I was not in the chair at that time, but the ruling then, as I understand it, and I concur with that ruling, is that I am assuming that the members who put this forward put it in good faith. We have no way of confirming whether it's "street" or "crescent," but I'm taking the position that it's put in good faith and that, as the Speaker said last night when the Chair was challenged, we cannot make our rulings based on Perly's here. So to repeat that, I understand and I appreciate your bringing up the issue, but I'm going to accept this as though the people who put it forward did so in good faith. Thank you for raising it.

I'm now putting the question. All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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The Chair (Mr Gilles E. Morin): An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bassano Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bassano Road living in the urban area.'"

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bassett Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bassett Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed please will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Mr Ruprecht: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: You realize that I don't wish to be difficult and make your job any more gruesome than it already is, but you were just reading a minute ago that the residents of Bassett Avenue should be consulted. Is that B-A-S-S-E-T-T or is that B-A-S-E-T?

The Chair: Your spelling was just right on.

Mr Ruprecht: So that's the same street like Isabel Bassett, is that correct?

The Chair: That's correct.

Mr Ruprecht: It's the same spelling as the member.

The Chair: Yes. Is that a point of order?

Mr Ruprecht: It's a point of order. I wanted to know that because I thought the residents of Bassett Avenue are different than the residents of Bassett Street and I wanted to know because Bassett Street is in the west end and I think Bassett Avenue is in the east end and I wanted to make sure the spelling was correct.

The Chair: The amendment has been proposed by the NDP and I'm sure they know exactly where it is. It must be located in Toronto somewhere.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Basswood Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Basswood Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bastedo Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bastedo Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Mr Ruprecht: Mr Speaker, on a point of order: You realize I don't want to be difficult on this, but you mentioned clearly that it was Bastedo Road, not Bastedo Avenue. Is that correct?

The Chair: It was Bastedo Avenue.

Mr Ruprecht: The reason I'm asking you this question is because I wanted to find out if you can inform the House if that is the same street or avenue that came to the Minister of Transportation's attention because of the many holes it had on the corner of Bastedo and Baskerville. Is that the same one?

The Chair: Perhaps that would be a question you should ask the Minister of Transportation.

1720

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Batavia Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Batavia Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Mr Ruprecht: Mr Speaker, on a point of order --

Mr John Gerretsen (Kingston and The Islands): You don't want to be difficult about it, right?

Mr Ruprecht: No, I don't want to be difficult, which is obvious by now, but you said Batavia Avenue, is that right, or was that Batavia Road?

The Chair: This time it was Batavia Avenue.

Mr Ruprecht: Is this the same Batavia Avenue that came to the Minister of Education's attention because of the school that is found on Batavia Avenue, and there are 250 students in that school? I wonder whether you could be helpful and ask the Minister of Education whether he has considered to expand the kindergarten classes in Batavia school, which is on Batavia Avenue.

The Chair: This is not a point of order.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Batawa Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Batawa Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Mr Ruprecht: Mr Speaker, on a point of order:

The Chair: Member for Parkdale, take your seat, please. We had a debate in the first hour yesterday, and now that the amendments are being introduced there is no more debate. If your point of order is of a serious nature, if it refers specifically to the amendment, if it is something which is constructive, I will listen to it.

Mr Ruprecht: But you're not suggesting that my previous comments were not constructive?

The Chair: All right. I don't want to debate.

Mr Ruprecht: Okay, I'm not debating. I have to ask you a question and that question is: Normally you are very clearly enunciating all the street names twice. On this specific one, I've heard you only mention that street once, which makes me think you have overlooked one of the paragraphs --

The Chair: That's not a point of order. I would ask you to take your seat.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bater Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bater Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bathford Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bathford Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

1730

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bathgate Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bathgate Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bathurst Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bathurst Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Another NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Battenberg Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Battenberg Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Battersea Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Battersea Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

1740

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Batterswood Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Batterswood Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Battinger Gate living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Battinger Gate living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baudina Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baudina Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bauty Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bauty Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bay Mills Blvd living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bay Mills Blvd living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

1750

NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bay Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bay Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Mr James J. Bradley (St Catharines): Point of order.

The Chair: A real point of order?

Mr Bradley: Would I intervene with anything other than a real point of order?

I have a document here from the MPP for Lakeshore, the Conservative MPP. It says, "Rethink Megacity Proposal, Tory Urges" -- Morley Kells. I'm wondering what street that may be on, because there may be a conflict of interest in the street that he's on.

The Chair: It must be understood that there should be no debate in the House. There should be no debate whilst the motions are introduced.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayard Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayard Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayberry Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayberry Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baybrook Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baybrook Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

1800

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baycrest Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baycrest Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.

Ms Lankin: Can you deem that we stood?

The Chair: No, you have to stand up. Thank you. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayfield Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayfield Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayford Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayford Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayhampton Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayhampton Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baylawn Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baylawn Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.

Mrs Lyn McLeod (Fort William): There weren't any nays.

The Chair: I heard two. I need five people. The vote is deferred. Don't forget, when you stand up you have to stand up at your seat for a recorded vote.

1810

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayliss Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayliss Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayshill Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayshill Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

A motion from the third party:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baytree Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baytree Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayview Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayview Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

1820

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayview Heights Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayview Heights Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"

Mr David Christopherson (Hamilton Centre): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I don't believe that a quorum is present and I'm sure you would want to ensure that it is.

The Chair: Please verify if there is a quorum.

Acting Clerk Assistant (Mr Douglas Arnott): A quorum is not present, Chair.

The Chair: Call in the members.

A quorum is now present.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayview Ridge Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayview Ridge Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bayview Wood living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bayview Wood living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

1830

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Baywood Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Baywood Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beacham Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beacham Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

A motion from the third party:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beachdale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beachdale Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beachell Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beachell Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beachell Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beachell Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

1840

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beachview Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beachview Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beacon Hall Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beacon Hall Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

A third-party motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beacon Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beacon Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaconhill Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaconhill Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

1850

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaconsfield Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaconsfield Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bead Fernway living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bead Fernway living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beamish Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beamish Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beamsville Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beamsville Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bearbury Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bearbury Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

1900

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beardmore Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beardmore Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beare Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beare Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Interjections.

Mr Bill Murdoch (Grey-Owen Sound): The bed wetters' accord. Back to 1985 when you went to bed together.

The Chair: The member for Grey-Owen Sound, you are talking too loud.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bearwood Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bearwood Drive living in the urban area.'"

Interjections.

The Chair: Frankly, it's too loud, you're too loud. You are missing a good amendment here.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"

Mr Murdoch: On a point of order, Mr Chair: In that amendment you're reading, are the words "This is a good amendment" in there? I'm just wondering.

The Chair: If you listen attentively, it's excellent.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Interjections.

The Chair: Order. This is not recess. There is too much noise. I'll keep you waiting.

NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beath Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beath Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

1910

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaton Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaton Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

The Second Deputy Chair (Mr Bert Johnson): An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beatrice Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beatrice Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Mr Gilles Bisson (Cochrane South): On a point of order, Mr Chair --

The Second Deputy Chair: The member for Cochrane South, you're rising. You're standing up.

Mr Bisson: Yes, I am standing up. That's very good. It's called a point of order.

The Second Deputy Chair: Your point of order?

Mr Bisson: I do believe that one of the points of the standing orders is that we're supposed to understand what the Chair of the committee of the whole is saying. It seems to me that you are going a little bit quick, because I'm having difficulty understanding what you are saying in reading this particular amendment.

The Second Deputy Chair: Are you following along on the written copy that you have before you?

Mr Bisson: Well, I'm trying to listen to you. Not every member has an --

The Second Deputy Chair: I understand, but are you following along on the written copy that you have before you?

Mr Bisson: That's the problem: You're going too quick. I've got to say, Mr Speaker, we're getting phone calls in our offices where a number of people have called in to say that when you are in the chair, you read a little bit too fast and they're having problems trying to follow you. Does this mean to say I'm right or I'm wrong?

The Second Deputy Chair: Would you please take your seat.

Mr Bisson: It means I'm taking my seat. Okay.

The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order because I have addressed it before.

All those in favour of this motion? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beattie Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beattie Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material -- '"

Interjections.

The Second Deputy Chair: It's easier to hear this and to understand it if you're not talking.

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaty Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaty Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaucourt Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaucourt Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of the committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

1920

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaufield Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaufield Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this bill pass? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaufort Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied: -- '"

The Chair recognizes the member for Yorkview.

Mr Mario Sergio (Yorkview): I don't want to be rude, but just to clarify for the House, you called, on the previous amendment, "Should this bill pass?" It's not a bill, it's an amendment.

The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry. I apologize. I'll try never to do it again.

Mr Sergio: I realize it's not done on purpose, but I wouldn't want anybody listening or watching to get the wrong impression.

The Second Deputy Chair: How could I correct this to your satisfaction?

Mr Sergio: I know you wouldn't do it on purpose.

The Second Deputy Chair: I'll do anything I can to try to rectify it.

Mr Sergio: Thank you.

The Second Deputy Chair: "`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaufort Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this House that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaumaris Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaumaris Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this House that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaumonde Heights Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaumonde Heights Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaumont Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaumont Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaver Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaver Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

Mr Christopherson: On a point of order, Chair: I wish to raise with you the matter that's been faxed to me by Jeffrey Dalziel of Collingwood, who asked me to say: "Could you pass on to the Chair a message that I am having trouble understanding what the heck he is reading into the record due to the speed at which he is reading? The clarity is poor. I am trying to understand and comprehend the amendments."

Again, Speaker, I would implore you to please recognize that people are watching, they care, they want to understand, and it appears that you're running the words together and not giving the due respect and reverence that the matters of this House deserve.

The Second Deputy Chair: I want to address that. That is a point of order.

Hon David Johnson (Chair of the Management Board of Cabinet, Government House Leader): Point of order, Chair.

The Second Deputy Chair: Is this on the same point of order?

Hon David Johnson: Yes, on the same point. Could I just assure the member opposite and the individual who communicated with the member that what is being said is precisely the same on each and every one of these amendments, word for word, so if they've heard one, they've heard them all, except there is a different street or a different lake or a different city or a different industrial park or a different street outside of Metropolitan Toronto. Other than that, each and every one of them is, word for word, exactly the same.

Mr Gerard Kennedy (York South): Mr Chair?

The Second Deputy Chair: On the same point of order?

Mr Kennedy: Yes, on the same point. Mr Chair, the House leader, I'm sure, doesn't wish to stand by that inaccurate impression. There are many other amendments beyond the type he's trying to characterize that are part of this. There are Liberal amendments in this that are part of this. These resolutions have all been ruled in order and they deserve to be heard.

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: I am addressing the point of order that was addressed back here, and now I am going to address it. Please take your seat, member for Hamilton Centre. I am addressing your point of order. I ruled on it before.

Mr Christopherson: To the government House leader, Chair, I would like to point out that he is trying to reargue a matter that the Speaker has already ruled on. The Speaker has declared that these amendments are in order and each one stands alone.

The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order, and indeed you are out of order.

The Chair recognizes the member for Nepean on a point of order.

Mr John R. Baird (Nepean): Thank you very much, Mr Chair, and I'll try to be as brief as I possibly can. We have received a fax from a Charles Brown, who says, "Repetition half a dozen times of these motions would enable anyone, and I repeat anyone, to understand what is being said." He claims to be 65 years old and his hearing isn't even the best. Thank you, Mr Chair.

The Second Deputy Chair: I missed the point. I don't think that's a point of order.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

1930

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaver Bend Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaver Bend Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this House that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Mr Len Wood (Cochrane North): On a point of order, Mr Chair: The next amendment as it refers to Beaver Lake, I would like to withdraw that amendment.

The Second Deputy Chair: Have you got a number or something on it?

Mr Len Wood: NDP motion.

The Second Deputy Chair: NDP motion, okay. "The residents of Beaver Lake": you don't want them given notice.

Mr Len Wood: We'd like unanimous consent to withdraw that amendment.

The Second Deputy Chair: There is not unanimous consent.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaver Lake living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaver Lake living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." I declare the motion lost.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaver Terrace living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaver Terrace living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the request of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaver Valley Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaver Valley Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaverbrook Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaverbrook Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? I declare it lost.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaverbrook Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaverbrook Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaverdale Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaverdale Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beaverhall Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

Mr Tony Martin (Sault Ste Marie): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I am trying very hard to follow you.

The Second Deputy Chair: Have you got a copy of this?

Mr Martin: Yes.

The Second Deputy Chair: Is it on Beaverhall Drive?

Mr Martin: Well, that's what I was going to ask you, because you went through that so quickly --

The Second Deputy Chair: I am reading the one on Beaverhall Drive.

Mr Martin: Yes, well, it kind of rolled out like marbles.

The Second Deputy Chair: Beaverhall Drive. Are you on it?

Mr Martin: Okay, that's the one I'm looking for. I've got it, yes. You'll appreciate the fact that --

The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry, I'd like to give you my ruling. Would you take your seat. Please take your seat so I can give you the ruling on your point of order.

Mr Martin: You'll appreciate the fact that I'm trying to keep track here. I'll be asking you --

The Second Deputy Chair: I'm not going to argue with you. I'd ask you to take your seat so I can give you the ruling. You asked for a point of order. I'm giving it to you. I'm trying to give you the ruling. It is not a point of order.

1940

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beaverhall Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'" -- okay?

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,'" -- you're standing?

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I just want to clarify. You said -- and the sentence went, "Okay?" Is that part of the amendment?

The Second Deputy Chair: Do you want me to re-read this?

Mr Bisson: Yes, if you could, please.

The Second Deputy Chair: Okay.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? I declare it lost.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: You're moving through these amendments rather quickly. I seriously would ask you to slow down just a little bit so that we can understand. We may not be as quick as you are, Mr Chair, in understanding your quick diatribe.

The Second Deputy Chair: You may not have been here when I gave the explanation to this point of order before. Actually, my father said, "If a job has to be done, you might as well get at it and get it over with as fast as you can."

Mr Gilles Pouliot (Lake Nipigon): That's not our responsibility.

The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat. I'm explaining your point of order.

Mr Pouliot: He is incompetent. He is worthless.

Mr Bisson: Mr Speaker, I did not hear you. Try it again.

The Second Deputy Chair: The member for Lake Nipigon will bring himself to order or I will name him, and I'll not warn him again.

Mr Bisson: Mr Chair, I didn't hear a word you said.

The Second Deputy Chair: I am addressing my comments at this point to the member for Lake Nipigon. He is sitting directly between the member I am addressing and myself, and he was talking, and I will not tolerate it. Please take your seat. I am addressing my comments to the member for Cochrane South. He couldn't see me. He couldn't hear me. He couldn't understand. I am offended.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Becca Hall Trail living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:'"

Mr Martin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Did you say, "Becca Hall Trail"?

The Second Deputy Chair: Becca Hall Trail. Becca Hall Trail.

Mr Martin: Thank you very much.

The Second Deputy Chair: "`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Becca Hall Trail living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beck Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:'"

Mr Martin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Is that Beck Avenue?

The Second Deputy Chair: Yes.

Mr Martin: Okay. Thank you.

The Second Deputy Chair: That is a point of order if you can't hear a word. But I must address a comment to the member for Cochrane South. If he is talking at the same time that you can't hear, I will not tolerate that.

Interjections.

The Second Deputy Chair: I beg your pardon. I don't want to debate this; I am not about to argue it.

Mr Martin: I want to explain to you that I am having a hard time.

The Second Deputy Chair: I beg your pardon. If you would take your seat and just listen to my comments, please. I will not tolerate him talking when you can't hear me.

Mr Bisson: On a point of privilege, Mr Chair: I wasn't talking to anybody. I'm sitting here reading the paper, listening to the amendments.

The Second Deputy Chair: I beg your pardon --

Mr Bisson: I don't know who you heard, but it wasn't me. Seriously, Chair, you cannot impute motive inside the House here.

The Second Deputy Chair: I'm not imputing motive. The member has a proper point of order, and I am addressing that.

Mr Bisson: Chair, this is serious. On my point of privilege, I'm just saying that you're saying the member raised a valid point of order, and I agree. But you said you were not able to hear his point of order because I was speaking, which I was not. I would ask the Chair of the committee of the whole to withdraw his comments about me, because I was not speaking.

The Second Deputy Chair: When I am looking and somebody else is talking and somebody else can't hear, it does upset me. But that is my ruling. If you'd like to appeal it, you may.

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beck Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beckenham Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:'"

Mr Martin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Was that Beckenham Court?

The Second Deputy Chair: Aye.

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beckenham Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: On number 3, I was watching very closely, and you read, "Hearing dates 30 days the notice." Does the word "after" appear on your amendment? It wasn't read. You didn't read "after."

The Second Deputy Chair: I can't see it. No, I'm sorry.

Mr Bisson: Oh, it's not on yours?

The Second Deputy Chair: I don't think so. If it was there, I read it.

Mr Bisson: Okay, I take it now that you've read it, but I didn't hear it the first time.

The Second Deputy Chair: Was that privilege or order?

Mr Bisson: Point 3.

The Second Deputy Chair: No, why --

Mr Bisson: It was a point of order.

The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beckett Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:'"

Mr Martin: Beckett Avenue, Chair?

The Second Deputy Chair: I beg your pardon?

Mr Martin: Beckett Avenue?

The Second Deputy Chair: Why are you standing?

Mr Martin: A point of order.

The Second Deputy Chair: Yes?

Mr Martin: Was that Beckett Avenue? The amendment is Beckett Avenue?

The Second Deputy Chair: Yes. I might remind you there's somebody else talking very close who is making this hard for you to hear.

Mr Martin: No, it has nothing to do with somebody talking beside me, Chair; it's the speed at which you're going.

The Second Deputy Chair: "`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beckett Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Under 5, subsection ii, did you read after the comma, "charge, a copy of this act together with background material"?

The Second Deputy Chair: Yes.

Mr Bisson: You did? Okay. I stand corrected.

The Second Deputy Chair: Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

1950

NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beckwith Road" -- Beckwith Road.

I want to address the inattentiveness and the talking, while I am reading, of the people that can't hear, people very close. Please take your seat. I am irritated. I have had to repeat several names, and on numerous occasions when I look up, there is somebody else talking.

Mr Len Wood: Just go and see Mike Harris and tell him you quit is all.

The Second Deputy Chair: I will not warn the member for Cochrane North again. You are out of order. I recognize the member for Sault Ste Marie on a point of order.

Mr Martin: I am equally as agitated as you are with the speed at which you are going through these motions. It just makes it really difficult for everybody involved to participate. This is a democratic process that we're involved in here. It has nothing to do with the people around me talking or saying anything; it has everything to do with the speed at which you are moving through these things. If you don't slow down --

The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat.

Mr Martin: If you don't slow down, then I have to take whatever action I need to, because I am a duly elected member of this place, to understand where you're at and what amendment you're dealing with so that I can act accordingly.

The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat. I'd like to explain to you. I recognize that you have a wish in me slowing down. I recognize that, but I would like to also tell you that I have a very large task and it is very repetitious. All but two words of this is exactly the same as the other five, 10, 15, 20, 23 that I have read before, so that it is very repetitious. So I will try to give extra emphasis -- please take your seat. I am still talking. I will try to give extra emphasis on that, but I will not talk overly loud to try to get over other people that are talking so that you can't hear. I'm sorry. My voice wouldn't take it. I can't sit and shout.

The Chair recognizes the member for --

Mr Pouliot: I thank you. Mr Speaker, I will be candid --

The Second Deputy Chair: You are rising on a point of order?

Mr Pouliot: On a point of order, sir, on the same subject matter, and I think it's important. I don't envy your job, and I say this candidly. Several times, people have risen on points of order. I realize you have a job to do. Some of the amendments tend to be repetitious in the minds of some, and I'll accept that. The situation is tedious. Add to it the long hours and the belief that you could be doing something else, serving your province in another capacity --

The Second Deputy Chair: I get your point.

Mr Pouliot: It has been mentioned since yesterday evening, with respect, sir, that in the minds of many, the process is working fine, we're moving right along here; however, it seems that it is a little quick, and we must follow and classify those amendments as they come through.

The Second Deputy Chair: I think I get your point. I think that I have probably around 8,000 of these to read. If I take a minute each, we're still into probably May or something, and they are very repetitious not only in the mind but on the paper. I have addressed that before. It's not a point of order. You may want to appeal it.

The Chair recognizes the member for Fort William on a point of order.

Mrs McLeod: Thank you, as always. In the interests of being helpful, perhaps you might read the repetitious parts quickly and read the names slowly so that the members of the third party can follow the names.

The Second Deputy Chair: I appreciate the helpful comment.

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beckwith Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If -- "

Interjections.

The Second Deputy Chair: Order. Mr Martin is having difficulty hearing.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? I declare it lost.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bedford Park Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bedford Park Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of the committee that this NDP motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bedford Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bedford Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of the committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bedle Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bedle Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of the committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Mr Martin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: We're asking that the next amendment be withdrawn.

The Second Deputy Chair: Beech Avenue?

Mr Martin: Beech Avenue; that's the one.

The Second Deputy Chair: It is withdrawn. That's Beech Avenue and it is withdrawn.

2000

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beechborough Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beechborough Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 --

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'm sorry to interrupt you in the middle of this. It's only because I don't want to miss something in the procedure.

Previous to you beginning this amendment, the member for Sault Ste Marie withdrew an amendment for Beech Avenue. That was because there were two in a row that were duplicates just due to word processing and copying. You have seemingly skipped over the second Beech Avenue one and --

The Second Deputy Chair: There were two with Beech Avenue spelled B-E-E-C-H and you withdrew Beech Avenue.

Ms Lankin: We have done this on a number of occasions, Mr Chair. If I may just explain that through collation, as you can well imagine, of 11,500 amendments, there have been some, through the printing and collation, where there were duplicates, and what we've attempted to do to ensure that there was no question around those being in order when there two, simply to withdraw the first one of a duplicate as they come up, which means that the second one would actually be in order and I think we inadvertently skipped over it, Mr Speaker.

The Second Deputy Chair: Oh, no. I had two Beech Avenue, and they were withdrawn so I assumed you used the same one and I ruled that they were both withdrawn.

Ms Lankin: I would hope you haven't ruled yet because the point wasn't put to you and I'm just putting it to you now. This has actually been done a number of times through the course. At the end of the day, this is not going to be a huge issue, but we should clarify this. Where there are duplicates, it would in fact be the case that you as Chair, if you notice that they were duplicates, would rule the second one out of order. Our intent was to be of assistance and to withdraw one and the second one should still be in order.

The Second Deputy Chair: You may sit down. I'd like to rule on that point. My ruling is this: You withdrew Beech Avenue. I didn't realize it was because it was only duplicated so my ruling is that Beech Avenue was withdrawn. If you'd like to appeal that ruling, then you may. Is it your wish?

Ms Lankin: Excuse me.

The Second Deputy Chair: Yes. The next time, if this is the reason, if you'd give me the reason then I could correct that.

Ms Lankin: Mr Chair, the next time we will give you the reason but I want to say, at a certain point in time, you are here to facilitate the order of this assembly. Mr Chair, we are trying also to be of assistance and to avoid a situation where you inadvertently bring through two amendments that are the same where one would have been out of order.

I do think your ruling is entirely, entirely unreasonable. At this point in time I am not going to challenge it because there is much business to get on with and we will let that one go by. But you should be fair in the chair, Mr Chair, and you are not being; that is unreasonable, entirely unreasonable.

The Second Deputy Chair: It may be the stress and so on. You might want to consider that. But either you will appeal it or it will stand. That is my ruling.

Mrs McLeod: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I can assure you I am not feeling particularly stressed but I do ask you to consider the way in which the members of the third party were attempting to actually speed this up. Perhaps they should withdraw the second one when they recognize there's a duplicate so it doesn't create any confusion.

I'm glad they're not challenging your ruling because I think it would be a very great shame if the Speaker were pulled back into the Legislative Assembly because of an inadvertent error which you in fact made. I'm sorry you won't correct it, Mr Speaker, but I trust it won't happen again.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: The standing orders are quite clear when it comes to how the chair of the committee of the whole is to deal with amendments. Simply put, the Speaker must dealt with each individual amendment one by one. What you attempted to do here is that you circumvented the process and are basically saying, "I'm going to deal with two at a time."

The point is, succinctly -- and I don't want to make this any longer than we have to -- the rule is, according to the standing orders, when dealing with amendments in committee of the whole, we deal with one amendment at a time. The member got up and asked that one amendment be withdrawn for the reasons that were explained by the member for Beaches-Woodbine, and you are dealing with two amendments, which is not in keeping with the standing orders.

I'm not going to challenge the chair for the same reasons that have been raised before. But, Speaker, it is incumbent upon you as the chair of the committee of the whole to deal with the rules in a consistent manner and fairly. I submit that you have not in this case.

Hon David Johnson: Mr Chair, I'm not going to challenge the chair, either. I'm going to simply express my extreme sympathy to the chair. When one is forced to go through 8,000 to 10,000 amendments, exactly the same, it must be mind-numbing. When the whip from the third party indicates that they're chaotic, that they're not in order, that they had problems with all the lakes, the streets, the stadiums and cities from outside of Metro, streets from inside Metro, streets from outside Metro --

Interjections.

The Second Deputy Chair: Order, order.

Hon David Johnson: Mr Chair, over the caterwauling from the opposition ranks, when they've indicated themselves that it's very chaotic, that they made mistakes, it must be a very difficult job for you and the other people in the chair to sort through all of this. I just want you to know that you have our complete sympathy. I feel that you're doing the best job you can under trying circumstances with 8,000 frivolous, beyond frivolous amendments, simply to stall time in this particular House.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Speaker.

Interjection.

The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat. I'm addressing it. That is not a point of order. The Chair recognizes the member for Beaches-Woodbine on a point order.

Mr Pouliot: What about the islands, rivers and creeks?

The Deputy Speaker: The member for Lake Nipigon will come to order.

Mr Pouliot: I respect your ruling and I respect you, Mr Speaker. I shall do that.

The Second Deputy Chair: The chair recognizes now the member for Beaches-Woodbine.

Ms Lankin: Mr Chair, I've indicated that I'm not going to challenge your ruling only because I do not believe at this point in time that I want to bother the Speaker with something. We will take care of this by giving indications as we go along. I've indicated I think your ruling is unreasonable.

Let me say to the government House leader on the point of order that he just raised: To suggest that amendments are frivolous, which have been tested in this Legislature before yourself, sir, and before other chairs of the committee of the whole, and challenged to the Speaker, and have been found, every single time, to be absolutely in order and to be not frivolous, absolutely not frivolous, the government House leader is nothing but, yet again, incorrect.

The Second Deputy Chair: I would like to address my comments for just a second to the member for Beaches-Woodbine because I'm going to ask you to withdraw the comment that my ruling was unreasonable. Either it is reasonable or it's unreasonable, and if it's unreasonable, then I think that I would want it challenged and I would like the Speaker to rule on it. You will either withdraw the comment "unreasonable" or I will ask the Speaker to come and either uphold or rule on my point of order.

Ms Lankin: Only because I don't intend to bother the Speaker, I'll withdraw it.

The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry, it has to be an unequivocal --

Ms Lankin: You heard me. I'll withdraw.

The Second Deputy Chair: Thank you.

Mrs McLeod: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: I would ask you to take into consideration the statements made by the government House leader, well supported by members of his caucus, which suggest that the amendments that we are deliberating are frivolous. As the member for Beaches-Woodbine has said, the chairs of the committee of the whole have consistently found that these are in order, and the Speaker has ruled that they are in order and therefore both relevant and not frivolous. I believe that the statements of the government House leader show a disdain and a contempt for the rulings of the Speaker, and I would ask you to ask him to withdraw statements which show contempt for the Speaker of this Legislature.

The Second Deputy Chair: I didn't think that they were, but I'll address a comment to the government House leader. Would you withdraw some of those comments that would have been offensive to some?

Hon David Johnson: Mr Speaker, I most certainly will not. I stand by my comments. We have certainly made clear our views in that regard. It's well known, and we have on advice from staff, that in fact all of these amendments could have been and should have been incorporated in one amendment as opposed to 8,000 to 10,000 amendments. I think it's pretty clear to everyone who is listening that this is an abuse of the process. That's pure and simple what's going on.

2010

The Second Deputy Chair: Is this a new point of order or do you want me to rule on the other one?

Mrs McLeod: I would just ask you to take into consideration, in response to the government House leader's rebuttal, that the Speaker has been absolutely clear that the points of order under which the amendments have been challenged by members of the government were that they were frivolous; that the Speaker has found that not to be the case and that's why the amendments stand and are in order and why we're considering to deliberate them.

I would suggest that the people who are indeed watching these proceedings believe a government that is bringing in this legislation and forcing it against the will of a majority of citizens is the one that is simply showing contempt of the citizenry.

The Second Deputy Chair: We will have to let those people decide on their own. It was a point of order and I've tried to reconcile it. It doesn't seem to be reconcilable, so I would like to move on.

This is an NDP motion and I'm partway through it. I'm doing my best to start off exactly where I left off.

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beechborough Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beechgrove Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beechgrove Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beechwood Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beechwood Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beechwood Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beechwood Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beechwood Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beechwood Drive living in the urban area.

Mr Martin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: You read into the record, "1. The minister has given notice of the regulation...." In my read of the amendment it says "proposed regulation." Did you mean to say "proposed regulation"?

The Second Deputy Chair: Yes. If I missed "proposed" I'm awfully sorry, and I'll read it again just to make sure.

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beechwood Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beechwood Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beechwood Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

2020

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beecroft Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beecroft Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion pass? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beethoven Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beethoven Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belcourt Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belcourt Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belfield Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belfield Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection --

The Chair recognizes the member for Cochrane South.

M. Bisson : Monsieur le Président, j'ai --

The Second Deputy Chair: Just a minute. I want to make sure my -- proceed.

M. Bisson : Une certaine personne vient juste de m'appeler pour me dire que --

The Second Deputy Chair: Just a minute. I have the wrong one, the wrong ear.

M. Bisson : Méchante oreille, Monsieur le Président ? On m'a justement demandé il y a deux minutes à la sortie de la Chambre -- vous lisez tellement vite vos amendements que ceux qui en font la traduction en français ne sont pas capables de garder votre pas. C'est un problème. Le Règlement de la Chambre est très clair qu'on est supposé d'être capable de s'exprimer soit en français ou en anglais ou en LSQ ou ASL. Mais ce qu'il arrive, c'est que vous allez si vite que les traducteurs ne sont pas capables de garder votre vitesse.

On vous demande de ralentir pour que ceux qui ont besoin de faire la traduction en français puissent vous suivre, et pour ceux qui font la traduction -- Monsieur le Président, une minute, s'il vous plaît. Aussi vous avez besoin de vous ralentir pour que ceux qui ont besoin de faire la traduction vers la langue des signes québécoise et la langue internationale des signes puissent faire l'ouvrage, pour faire la traduction pour qu'elle arrive à l'écran, pour que ceux qui ne peuvent pas nous entendre puissent du moins lire le langage dans la version imprimée qui passe au bas de l'écran.

The Second Deputy Chair: They'll have an opportunity to catch up now that we've had a bit of a rest. I'm willing to compromise. I'll go a little slower but I suggest that others may have to go a little faster. I'll do the best I can. Does that address your point of order?

Mr Martin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I appreciate that too. I just wanted to say that over the last little while you have slowed down ever so slightly. It's been helpful. Thank you very much.

The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belfry Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belfry Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of the committee that this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belgate Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belgate Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 10 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

Mr Martin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: In section 3 I heard you say, "If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 10 days after...." Did you mean 30 days after?

The Second Deputy Chair: Yes.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

2030

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belgravia Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belgravia Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belgreen Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belgreen Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belgrove Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belgrove Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation."

I'd like to address my concerns to members of the gallery. I don't want you to be seduced into making demonstrations that will make it necessary for me to clear the gallery.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing --

Mr Christopherson: Seduced.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: It is very clear in the standing orders that a member of the House or the Chair of the committee of the whole cannot impute motive and you are imputing that we are trying to seduce the public. Mr Chair, I would ask you to withdraw.

The Second Deputy Chair: I withdraw.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this House that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belinda Sq living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belinda Sq living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry?

Mrs McLeod: May I just clarify the name? Was it "Belinda Sq" is the name of the street?

The Second Deputy Chair: Belinda Sq. It's spelled S-Q.

Mrs McLeod: It's spelled S-Q?

The Second Deputy Chair: Yes, Belinda Sq.

Mrs McLeod: Belinda Sq?

The Second Deputy Chair: Sq, yes.

Does this committee wish this motion to carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

Mr Michael Gravelle (Port Arthur): On a point of order: In light of the recent inappropriate comments made by the government House leader regarding the quality of the amendments that are coming before us today, I think it's important that the House to recognize --

The Second Deputy Chair: I'm sorry. That's an old point of order. I've ruled on it.

Mr Gravelle: This is a different point of order. I want the House to realize --

The Second Deputy Chair: Just tell me the point.

Mr Gravelle: The point is that there is a great deal of support for what we are receiving. Indeed, Mrs Ruth Cohen from Toronto has very kindly brought some flowers in to us and I think we want to thank her and thank all those who have shown such great support for the measures --

The Second Deputy Chair: Order.

Mr Gravelle: -- to our heroes, the members of the opposition. We're very grateful to Mrs Cohen and all those who are supporting us.

The Second Deputy Chair: Order. Would the member take his seat, please.

Mr Gravelle: Thank you very much.

Interjections.

The Second Deputy Chair: Order, order. I'm going to instruct to have those removed and I'm going to tell you why, because I have allergies to flowers. I'm sorry, but they will offend me.

Mr Gravelle: That's the only reason, Chair?

The Second Deputy Chair: That is the absolute only reason. The Chair recognizes the member for Cochrane South on a point of order.

Mr Bisson: I would just say, it may be that flowers are not in order, but I want to tell you flowers are always in season.

The Second Deputy Chair: It's not that they are out of order. I'm not ruling that. I'm saying that I have allergies to them and I wouldn't be able to continue. I'd lose my voice, I sneeze, I get headaches.

Mr Len Wood: Bert, you shouldn't be representing Perth county if you're allergic to flowers because Perth county is full of flowers.

The Second Deputy Chair: I want to address the member for Cochrane North. Do you have a comment to make to the Chair properly of this committee?

Mr Len Wood: I made it earlier.

The Second Deputy Chair: Then I would ask you to come to order.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bella Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bella Court living in the urban area."

Excuse me. I wanted to just address the member for Port Arthur that I didn't want to offend whoever donated those. It's just that I do have severe allergies to them.

Mrs McLeod: We appreciate that, Mr Chairman. Perhaps you would rule on what is admissible in the Legislative Assembly because certainly given the circumstances, if we were able to bring such substances as tea in, we'd be happy to take the flowers off and substitute that.

The Second Deputy Chair: The member for Fort William has been here long enough to know that tea is not --

Mrs McLeod: I always thought that flowers were not either, but I was mistaken --

Mr Bisson: Mr Chair, just on the point of your allergies.

The Second Deputy Chair: On the point of my allergies --

Mr Bisson: On the point of your allergies --

The Second Deputy Chair: Please sit down and bring yourself to order. My allergies have no point of order in this committee.

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Mr Bisson: Point of order, Mr Chair: I want to understand correctly. Whenever a member is allergic to a particular item that is in this Legislature, your ruling is if I'm allergic, you can withdraw it.

Interjection.

Mr Bisson: I'm allergic to the bill that the government has before us and I would ask that the government withdraw Bill 103 from the House as there's a whole bunch of people in Toronto who are allergic to what this government is trying to do.

The Second Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order.

Mr Bisson: If you can kick flowers out of here, why can't we kick out this bill?

The Second Deputy Chair: Please bring yourself to order. Order.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellair Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellair Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellamy Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellamy Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellbrook Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellbrook Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellbury Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellbury Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This motion is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellechasse Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellechasse Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee that this motion carry? All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

Interjection.

The Second Deputy Chair: The member for Lake Nipigon, you are out of order.

Mr Pouliot: Why, Mr Chair? Under which standing order? You said I'm out of order. What is it? Get off my case.

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The Second Deputy Chair: This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellefair Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellefair Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellefontaine Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellefontaine Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the request of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belleglade Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belleglade Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellehaven Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellehaven Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellemeade Lane living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellemeade Lane living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellevue Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellevue Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellevue Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellevue Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellhaven Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellhaven Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

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This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellholme Ln living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellholme Ln living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

Mr Bisson: Chair, one nay and eight yeas, and the nays got it?

The Second Deputy Chair: This is an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection" --

Mr Bisson: Have some respect for the Chair, Chair.

The Second Deputy Chair: The people close to you will not be able to hear if you keep interjecting.

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellman Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellman Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Is it the wish of this committee this motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

Mr Sergio: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I usually don't do this, but I just got a call in my constituency office and it had to do with the proceeding that is going on in the House. I know you have been trying, I know you have, to try and slow down and make people on the other side understand. I give you the name and the address and the telephone number of the person who has called because he's sincerely concerned. His name is Gary Langlet; I hope I've got it right. The address is 41 Mayall Avenue. The telephone number is 245-7663. He's a post-graduate and he's complaining that the average person can't understand because of the speed we are going through this. He says that if you can please read it in a reading way, it would be much appreciated.

The Second Deputy Chair: That was a point of order that was ruled on before.

Mr Sergio: Thank you very much, Mr Chairman.

The Second Deputy Chair: Our sympathies to the gentleman and we'll take notice of that.

Mr Bisson: Mr Chair, we've had a number of calls come in at our switchboard --

The Second Deputy Chair: Is this the same point of order?

Mr Bisson: A separate point of order: We've had a number of calls come in at our number, Toronto, 416-325-8300, where people are calling in and saying you're speaking much too fast and they're having a problem trying to hear you. I would urge you to slow down again. The number for the NDP office is 325-8300.

The Second Deputy Chair: Please take your seat. That is not a different point of order. It was ruled on before.

Mr Baird: On a point of order, Mr Chair: We've taken a calculator, and at the speed you're going at you will save the Ontario taxpayers $2.75 million because we're spending a quarter of a million dollars a day on these amendments. Your actions will save the taxpayers $2.75 million.

The Second Deputy Chair: I want to rule on this point of order: That is not a point of order.

Mrs McLeod: On a point of order, Mr Chair: The Speaker, who is responsible for the conduct of the Legislative Assembly, has made it very clear on Newsworld today that there is no cost of what we are doing here to the taxpayers. That is a statement of the Speaker of the Legislature and I would ask the members to observe the correctness of what he says.

The Second Deputy Chair: Order.

Mrs McLeod: Mr Chair --

The Second Deputy Chair: No, no, you're finished. I have given you --

Interjections.

The Second Deputy Chair: Order. There is a member in this House who wants to stand up and address me properly. Would you please come to order. The Chair recognizes the member. On a different point of order?

Mr Sergio: Yes. My point of order is this, Mr Chair: The caller and the call are --

Mr Baird: That is a great point of order, Mario.

Mr Sergio: Mr Chairman.

The Second Deputy Chair: I'm listening.

Mr Sergio: The call I got is from a taxpayer of Ontario. He's concerned with the way we are running the business in this House. If the government side is so concerned with taxpayers' money, then tell them to withdraw this idiotic bill. They are the ones spending taxpayers' money. It is not people being affected. It is the people on that side who should be withdrawing this bill. You should be withdrawing this piece of garbage.

Interjections.

The Second Deputy Chair: Order.

Mr Sergio: You don't want to listen to the taxpayers.

Interjections.

The Second Deputy Chair: Would the member for Yorkview please take your seat while I get order here.

Interjections.

The Second Deputy Chair: Order. Is the member for Yorkview finished his point of order?

Mr Sergio: Yes, thank you.

The Second Deputy Chair: Then it is not a point of order.

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Okay, order please. Come on, settle down. I wish you all a good evening. We're about to begin with an NDP motion, subsection 24(4) --

Applause.

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Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Madam Chair.

The First Deputy Chair: A point of order, member for Cochrane South. I need order so I can hear the point of order.

Mr Bisson: Madam Chair, I just want to bring to your attention that, as you know, the standing orders are quite clear that a Chair is not supposed to be partisan. A Chair is supposed to be neutral and is supposing to rule and watch the rules in regard to the rights of the minority and the rights of the government. I clearly saw in this case the Chair of the House leave to the applause of the government, to which he bowed. Through the decisions that the Chair has made, it has been fairly clear he has been fairly partisan.

The First Deputy Chair: I hear your point. Thank you. I was under the impression actually that some of them were applauding me. So I suggest that --

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Order, please.

Mr Pouliot: Are you allergic to flowers?

The First Deputy Chair: No, I'd love it if somebody gave me some flowers.

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Order, please. Point of order, member for Markham.

Hon David H. Tsubouchi (Minister of Consumer and Commercial Relations): Madam Chair, I certainly hope the member's not impugning motive --

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: Order, please.

Hon Mr Tsubouchi: -- to the former Chair. The Chair had acted quite well and I might remind the members of the third party that the last time the present Chair had left the House, she left to the applause of the third party as well. We didn't impugn any motive in that. We thought you did an excellent job as well, Madam Chair.

The First Deputy Chair: Let's start anew here. I think what I'd like to say is that I believe it is the duty of all of the chairs to be impartial when we put on this little outfit and sit here in this chair. It is our duty to be neutral and it is your duty --

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Order. Order, please. It is our duty to be neutral and it is indeed your duty, if you think we're being partisan anyway, to let us know that, and I appreciate it when you do. If, for some reason, I think it's happening when I am in the chair, I would be happy to hear about it. Thank you for your point of order. It was not a point of order.

I would now like to move on to NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellrock Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellrock Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellrock Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellrock Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellvare Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellvare Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Before we move on, could I once again remind all members to be vigilant and be ready to respond. Thank you.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellwoods Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellwoods Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bellwoods Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bellwoods Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Mrs Marion Boyd (London Centre): Point of order, Madam Speaker: I wish to withdraw the next amendment.

The First Deputy Chair: Withdrawn.

Member for London Centre, could I clarify with you, are you withdrawing the Belmont Lake one? I just want to clarify.

Mrs Boyd: Yes.

The First Deputy Chair: NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belmont Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belmont Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Could I have some order, please? Attorney General, could I ask you to come to order? Thank you. Member for Lake Nipigon; member for Fort William.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belmore Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belmore Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belmuir Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belmuir Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belper Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belper Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.'"

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belsay Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belsay Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belshaw Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belshaw Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belsize Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belsize Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belton Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belton Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belvale Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belvale Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belvedere Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belvedere Boulevard living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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Mr Floyd Laughren (Nickel Belt): On a point of order, Madam Chair: I don't know what's going on in the government benches but there must be a shift change or something going on because it's very difficult to hear the Chair reading the amendments. I know we want to hear them because each one is different, and we'd like to hear them.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you for the point of order. I would ask the members to try to keep the noise level down a bit because I'm having trouble hearing myself even.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belvia Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belvia Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belvidere Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belvidere Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Belyea Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Belyea Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Member for Oakwood, could I ask you to take your seat, please. Could I ask all members to tone it down just a little bit, please. Thank you.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bemberg Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bemberg Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

Ms Lankin: These are important. You need to hear every one of these, John. If you cared about what people said, you would want to hear these.

The First Deputy Chair: Member for Beaches-Woodbine, come to order, please. Would all members come to order, please. It's a little bit too noisy.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bemersyde Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bemersyde Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bemberg Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:" --

Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Madam Speaker: I believe it is Bemerton Court.

The First Deputy Chair: The one I'm doing now -- it's spelled Bemberg -- or the previous one?

Mrs Boyd: Bemerton.

The First Deputy Chair: Oh, that's the previous one that we just --

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Mrs Boyd: The next one then is Ben Alder.

The First Deputy Chair: That does not coincide with what you're saying. The one we did previously was Bemersyde Drive.

Mrs Boyd: And the next one should be Bemerton Court.

The First Deputy Chair: I have Bemberg Court next, so let's just straighten this out.

Mrs Boyd: You've done Bemersyde Drive and the next one should be Bemerton Court.

The First Deputy Chair: What I have in front of me is Bemberg Court.

Mrs Boyd: That was the one before Bemersyde Drive. I think we're going the wrong way.

The First Deputy Chair: Let me begin again.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bemerton Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bemerton Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Mr Pouliot: On a point of order, Madam Chair: With high respect, we know it's tedious work indeed and some of the names seem to be synonymous. The next time that there is confusion, that confusion does arise as to the location of the street, would you kindly stop the clock?

The First Deputy Chair: The clock, as I understand -- and I believe the member is very well aware of this -- is not running at the moment, but thank you for having that clarified for anybody in this room who may not be aware of that tonight. Thank you.

Mrs McLeod: It's running.

The First Deputy Chair: Well, it's running, yes, but thank you very much. I'm sure everybody here now is aware.

Ms Lankin: Madam Chair, on another point of order, given that we've had an interruption, instead of interrupting you after we get back into amendments: I just wanted to let you know that I've received a number of phone calls from people who are watching these proceedings: Helen from North York, who is 81 years old; Carol Mackenzie from Newmarket; Mrs Underwood from the city of York; Carol Pettit from Toronto; Graham Rogers from Niagara Falls; Graham Sumner from Niagara Falls; Ferland LeCaste from Scarborough; Edith Ashmore from Cobourg, who is 15 years old, at the other end of the spectrum; Keith Clark from Hamilton; Jerry Thompson from Brampton; Raphael Afra from Toronto; Doris from Lindsay; and George Christianson from Niagara Falls.

Madam Chair, I think that --

Interruption

The First Deputy Chair: Could I please ask for quiet in the galleries, thank you. The rules are very clear on that.

Ms Lankin: I'm sorry. I believe that this will be difficult for you to deal with because I understand that you have just assumed the chair. These calls unfortunately have come in and by the time they get taken off the machine and transmitted to me in the House, during the period of time when the former Chair was presiding -- that's Bert Johnson -- all of these people who have called in have said that it is impossible to understand the way in which he is treating the procedures, they feel he treats them with disdain.

Madam Chair, I know that you cannot make a ruling on that. I understand that. I would simply plead with you, when you next meet with the presiding officers would you please take the points of view of these citizens of Ontario and the hundreds of others we have been reporting over the course of the evening to that meeting to please, as a group, try to deal with this very significant problem and to try to ensure that the people here, as well as the people watching, are able to have full access to the democratic process taking place in this Legislative Assembly?

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you very much, member for Beaches-Woodbine. On the same point? Member for Nepean.

Mr Baird: We too have received a good number of calls. Susan in Toronto, Mary in Greensville and Bob in Prescott, who makes $10.80 an hour, who's fed up with us having to spend $10,000 a hour running this place for these frivolous amendments -- $10,000 an hour. Bob makes $10.80 an hour and we're spending $10,000 an hour. It's outrageous.

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Member for Beaches-Woodbine, come to order.

Neither of these points of order are points of order. I have no problem, however, in endeavouring to discuss the issue when the table officers next meet. We often discuss how proceedings are going in the House and I have no problem. I think it would be probably useful to discuss it.

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Member for Nepean, order please.

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Order, please. Member for St Catharines, point of order.

Mr Bradley: Thank you, Madam Chair. Because the member for Nepean intervened, I think you ruled it out of order. Mine may be. I have a call from the city of Brockville and individuals concerned at the closing of the psychiatric hospital by this government.

The First Deputy Chair: That is definitely out of order. Thank you. Member for Fort William, a point of order.

Mrs McLeod: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I do take it very seriously, which is why I want to raise a serious point of order, which is once again to suggest that the member who denies and states totally different factual information about the costs of operating this assembly is in contempt of the statements made by the Speaker, who has clearly and publicly said that those numbers are not true.

I would suggest furthermore that people would be a lot less upset about the bill that's before this House if the government hadn't conveniently forgotten about $1 billion extra they were dumping on municipalities.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you.

Mr Pouliot: Point of order.

The First Deputy Chair: Just a moment. Order, please. On the same point of order or another?

Mr Pouliot: Yes, and very important and very timely. I have just received, Madam Chair, an urgent message from the people in Lake Nipigon. There's a group of people who are glued to their television set and they asked your good office. They're asking the following question: Is the cost of doing business in the Legislative Assembly more, the same or less than $3 billion of downloading to municipalities? That's what they wish to know.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you. I am going to respond to that point of order. It is my duty as the Chair to make sure, under the rules, that the proceedings take place here and we do these amendments. The member for Fort William is quite correct in that, no matter what your personal views are of this bill, each and every amendment I am dealing with individually and they have been ruled in order.

It is my job to make sure that these amendments are read and a voice vote is taken tonight. From my point of view, the argument around whether or not they're frivolous has been decided already by the Speaker, has been ruled on, and it is my job to get on with this and read the amendments to you tonight and I propose that we get back now to the amendments at hand.

Mrs McLeod: Madam Chair, further to my point, the Speaker has also publicly discounted the claims of the members of the government about the cost of what we are doing.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you.

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Order, please.

Interjection.

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The First Deputy Chair: Member for Fort William, come on now. Let's have some order. Just take your seat for a moment. You have a point of order, government House leader?

Hon David Johnson: Madam Chair, just a clarification from yourself. My understanding is that the ruling of the Speaker actually did not pertain to the 8,000 amendments that we have, which are word for word the same, except that each one interjects a different street or a different lake or a different industrial area or a different stadium or something different.

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: Order. Member for Beaches-Woodbine, come to order.

Hon David Johnson: I don't know why the member for Beaches-Woodbine yells and screams every time she disagrees with somebody.

The First Deputy Chair: Can you get back to your point of order?

Hon David Johnson: My understanding is that the Speaker's ruling was on two particular amendments that pertain to two particular streets. I would seek your clarification on that.

The First Deputy Chair: My clarification would be this: The Speaker ruled, you're quite right, on a particular amendment. Nobody to date has challenged any of these other amendments, so I am proceeding on the basis that all of these amendments are in order under our rules and if there's a ruling otherwise at some point about any of these individually, that will be dealt with. But in the meantime, this is in order.

Hon David Johnson: I don't disagree with you, but you are confirming that in fact the Speaker has not ruled on the other 8,000 amendments which are precisely the same, only on the two.

The First Deputy Chair: Let me clarify my understanding of the Speaker's ruling. He ruled on an individual and did make it very clear that we could not be dealing with hypothetical 8,000 -- or whatever number you want to put on it -- amendments, so I too am dealing individually with each amendment as they come forward to me, which under the rules are in order.

Interjection.

Hon David Johnson: I'm sorry, I can't hear you. The member for Beaches-Woodbine is hollering and screaming again. We're having a hard time. It seems that when she disagrees, that's her tack. Could you repeat the last part?

The First Deputy Chair: I said that I am dealing with these motions, these amendments, individually, one by one as they are placed before me to read to the members to vote on and they are, as I read them, put before you in order. They, under the rules, are in order. That is what I am clarifying.

Okay? Thank you. All right, are we ready?

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: Member for Beaches-Woodbine, come to order.

Ms Lankin: Again?

The First Deputy Chair: Again.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ben Alder Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ben Alder Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ben Doran Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ben Doran Boulevard living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ben Nevis Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ben Nevis Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Mr Peter Kormos (Welland-Thorold): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I noted on news reports today that your colleague the Speaker indicated to the news media that it would take 40 to 70 days for these amendments to be read. I rely, of course, upon Speaker Stockwell's expertise in that regard. Are you in a position to confirm the Speaker's estimate in that regard of some 40 to 70 days based on the information you have now? Are you in a position to confirm that it will take 40 to 70 days to read these amendments?

The First Deputy Chair: I don't think I'm in the position to confirm or deny anything at the moment.

Hon Robert W. Runciman (Solicitor General and Minister of Correctional Services): How many millions of tax dollars will that cost Ontario taxpayers? Confirm that.

Mr Howard Hampton (Rainy River): You spent $8 million on your partisan election campaign, then you are going to lecture someone. You spent $8 million of taxpayers' dollars on partisan ads.

The First Deputy Chair: Leader of the third party, come to order, please. To the member for Welland-Thorold, I'd just like to say to you I'm in no position to confirm or deny anything at this point.

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Mr Kormos: Further on the point of order, Madam Chair: Similar reports refer to Speaker Stockwell as dismissing the government's claim of the great cost being incurred. He indicated there's a set budget for the operation of Queen's Park, it's an annual budget, and that today cost no more or no less than any other day of the operation of this building. The Speaker very gently dismissed the allegations made in the propaganda by the government. Is the Deputy Chair in a position at this point to indicate that Speaker Stockwell was correct in that regard?

The First Deputy Chair: I can't confirm or deny anything the Speaker may or may not have said today. I personally didn't hear it. I can't confirm that.

Hon David Johnson: Just to assist the member for Welland-Thorold, which I'm sure he'd be very happy with, it does cost $94 million to run this Legislature. That, divided by 365 days in the year, works out to about a quarter of a million dollars a day to run this Legislature. If the Speaker is right and it takes 40 days to complete, then by process that would be $10 million, 70 days would take closer to $20 million, and that is the cost the taxpayers will be required to pay through their taxes to support the amendments with regard to the streets and these sittings.

The First Deputy Chair: That is not a point of order. Everybody sit down for just a moment, please. We are entering into debate here, which is not relevant to these amendments. I appreciate your points of order but they are not points of order.

Mr Bradley: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I'm here with a very helpful suggestion to you. I would like to suggest that in the interest of time we get on with putting these amendments and giving the voice vote on these so we can proceed.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you. NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24" --

Mr Hampton: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I'd like your ruling on this. We can confirm that the government is spending $8 million a year of taxpayers' money on partisan political ads and $50 million over the next two years on partisan ads featuring the Premier. I'd like you to rule on whether that is saving taxpayers' money.

The First Deputy Chair: I'm going to say again that that is not a point of order. It has no relevance. All these recent points of order, except for that of the member for St Catharines, have no relevance to the introduction of these amendments. You are entering into debate or questions you might want to ask at question period. It has no relevance at this table now.

Government House leader, if your point of order is on the costs or perceived costs or different perceived costs of these sittings, it is not a point of order.

Hon David Johnson: I only want to be helpful to the leader of the third party, who is concerned, as we all are, about the advertising costs. I wish to assure him that the advertising costs for the government will be less than half of what he spent when he was in government.

The First Deputy Chair: I have to put a stop to this right now. No more. It is not relevant and it is entirely out of order. You're in debate and you're bringing up things that should be brought up in debate or question period.

I'm now going to proceed with NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Ben Stanton Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Ben Stanton Boulevard living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

Mr Baird: Dispense.

The First Deputy Chair: Dispense? No.

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benadair Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benadair Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I know you have suggested that a number of the points of order that have been raised with respect to the cost of proceedings etc enter into the area of debate, but I want to inform the member for Nepean, who consistently requests dispensing with the reading of these amendments, that when he does that and you have to ask if we will dispense and we then respond no, we've timed that. That takes exactly three seconds. Three seconds times 11,500 amendments divided by 60 minutes works out to about another 500 minutes, about another six hours of time. For the government which doesn't want to waste money on the democratic process, I suggest to you that you may want to stop your frivolous exercise of asking to dispense for the necessary reading of amendments into the record.

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The First Deputy Chair: Member for Beaches-Woodbine, it's not a point of order.

Mrs McLeod: On a point of order, Madam Chair: The government House leader on behalf of the government has seen fit to provide all members of the Legislative Assembly with information of the government's calculations as to the cost of operating the Legislative Assembly on a daily basis. I would appreciate it if the government House leader would table for us, using his own calculations, which we may or may not wish to challenge, the cost that is being incurred for bringing forward two bills, Bill 103 and Bill 104, in direct contravention of the wishes of the citizenry and how much that is costing the taxpayers of Ontario.

The First Deputy Chair: Just a moment here. There's nothing out of order in terms of what we're doing here with these amendments. In terms of what we're doing under the rules, there's nothing under this procedure that would give me the ability to ask for this to be tabled. Perhaps you could talk to the government House leader and request that he supply that to you and members of the Legislature.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benalto Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benalto Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benary Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benary Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Mr Kennedy: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I think for the public watching it's important for them to know the context of what's happening here tonight and to be aware that there were hundreds of people here tonight in a candlelight vigil, some of them associated with Citizens for Local Democracy, and here also tonight filling the galleries. I think it's very important for people to know that this has elicited the interest of the public and this is the context in which the debate is taking place.

The First Deputy Chair: It is not a point of order. I welcome everybody to the gallery tonight, but that is not a point of order.

We'll move on to an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benbow Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benbow Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bendale Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bendale Boulevard living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. A deferred vote.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benedict Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benedict Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benfrisco Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benfrisco Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

An NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bengal Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bengal Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I'm trying to comply with the rules as best I can. When you indicate, for instance in the case of the last vote, that "the nays have it" -- I believe that's what you said -- it's incumbent upon members who want a recorded vote to stand. I wish you'd give us all a chance to stand before you indicate that there's going to be a deferred vote. This isn't a race. We several times already have only been half-standing and you've said the vote will be deferred. That's not fair to me. I want the opportunity to participate among the five or more people standing. So would you please hesitate a moment to give us a chance to stand. This isn't a race. We've got 40 days and 40 nights. There's something quite biblical about that.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you, member for Welland-Thorold. Let me clarify. As soon as I see five people on their feet, I have the number that I need in order to count the votes, so --

Mr Kormos: Maybe they would slow down a little bit to let me participate too. Come on, now.

The First Deputy Chair: If you want to make sure you're one of the five, you do have to be quick on your feet, I'm afraid.

Mr Kormos: I can stay standing, but Deputy Chair Bert Johnson got upset when I stood. He got upset when I did virtually anything.

The First Deputy Chair: Well, I can't comment on that. Thank you for your point of order. I hope I've clarified it.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benhur Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benhur Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benjamin Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benjamin Boulevard living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Madam Chair: This is a point of order that I actually raised with you earlier in the evening in an earlier proceeding when you were in the chair, but since that time we have had a subsequent Chair who has continued to behave in a way that is inconsistent with the way you are behaving. I once again need to seek clarification because I believe, as members of the assembly, that we are due some consistency in terms of the rulings and the behaviours of the Chair.

This is with respect to the amendment that we just passed. As you know, it is an amendment that affected the residents of Benjamin, as you said, Boulevard. I would point out to you that in the amendment it actually reads "Benjamin Blvd" with no period. The no period is important, because quite earlier on we had a ruling from a previous Chair, Mr Johnson, and Bert Johnson in fact, faced with a similar amendment -- in that case I was here and I remember it; it was quite early on because it was in the A's, Madam Chair. It was Andrews, and in that case it was Andrews Gardens, but it was printed, as this was, in the short form: "Gdns."

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Speaker Johnson took considerable time in consulting with the table officers at that time, on his own accord, because he was genuinely disturbed, and his instructions to us at that point were that because "Gdns" did not have a period afterwards, therefore he would not accept it as a legitimate abbreviation. He insisted in reading Andrews Gardens, as he went through the amendment, as Andrews "Guhdns." We thought that a little bizarre, but he did. We thought it even further bizarre when he came to, and I'm going to use Andrews as the example, Circle; it was Andrews "Cir"; Andrews Square was Andrews "Skwuh"; Andrew Crescent, Andrew "Cres".

I pointed out to you that there was another example of --

The First Deputy Chair: Is this a new point of order? I did rule on --

Ms Lankin: You did, but there has been a subsequent period of time in which Speaker Johnson, Chair --

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: Well, I have to hear her because she says she has something to add to it.

Ms Lankin: Deputy Speaker Johnson was in the chair between the last time you ruled and now, and I'd point out to you that the last time you were the Chair, I raised it with you with an example which was Bellamy Avenue West. Again, "West" was abbreviated "W" with no period. I suggested to you that, to be consistent with Speaker Johnson's rulings, you would have to read that out as "Bellamy Avenue Whu". You at that point said that you had your own interpretation. What I am asking for is some consistency. In the two hours, some time after you were in the chair, that Speaker Johnson was back in here, we continued to see examples of Speaker Johnson referring to Andrews Gardens as "Guhdns" and Andrews Square as "Skwuh." I would think in this case, Benjamin Blvd, without a period, would become "Benjamin Blevd."

I would say to you that there needs to be some consistency. The previous Chair continues to behave in a way very different than you, and I would ask you once again, if you are unable at this point in time to rectify the situation, to please bring this up at a table officers' meeting and to bring some consistency to the way in which these amendments -- because, as we know, we're likely to be here for another 40 days and 40 nights. It would be helpful if there were some consistency in how they were treated.

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Just a moment.

Mr Kormos: How could it be "Circle" when I've lived on Jones "Cir" for the last 30 years?

The First Deputy Chair: Member for Welland-Thorold --

Mr Kormos: He almost named me. I almost got tossed out.

The First Deputy Chair: Member for Welland-Thorold, take your seat, please. I did rule on this earlier. I know that the member for Beaches-Woodbine asked me a different question this time, and I would say again, of course I will be happy to raise this at a subsequent meeting with the other table officers. Thank you.

Mr Bradley: Madam Speaker, a very brief point of order.

The First Deputy Chair: On a point of order, the member for St Catharines.

Mr Bradley: I just wanted to draw to your attention that the member for Scarborough East has arrived from the Albany Club.

The First Deputy Chair: That is definitely not in order. Now we will get back to an NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benjamin Boake Trail living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benjamin Boake Trail living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benlamond Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benlamond Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Mr Kormos: On a point of privilege, Chair: I believe I should apologize, because this is the first opportunity I've had. Chair, I refer to some statements I put on the record. I'm referring to the Hansard of February 27. For your assistance, I believe it's appropriate for me to refer to the Hansard, page 7301. I said, as the Hansard at page 7301 says:

We're gonna clean out the Eves, chase off the thieves,

tell Mike Harris where to go.

We're gonna flush 'em down the drain,

pull the Leach from our veins, and free Ontario.

'Cause Johnson's a weenie and so is Palladini,

and Mike keeps Harrissing the poor.

We're gonna send all those dopes back to the slopes,

and free Ontario.

And when we kick out their butts, we'll cut all the cuts,

and tell them, megacity, no.

We're going to break off our chains,

pull the Leach from our veins, and free Ontario.

'Cause Johnson's a weenie and so is Palladini,

they all keep Harrissing the poor.

We're gonna send all those dinks back to the links,

and free Ontario.

Now, Chair, I apologize. I apologize to Robert Priest, the author, because I didn't seek permission from him before I used those lyrics in this House. I hope he doesn't consider that a breach of any copyright protection that he might have had. I sincerely apologize to Robert Priest. Next time I will seek his permission before I use his lyrics in this forum.

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The First Deputy Chair: I want to respond to the point of privilege. I was conferring with the table officers. When somebody stands on a point of privilege to apologize for something they have said, it is a little bit complex. I understand it has to be timely but on the other hand I was checking the rules because privilege is something -- there is a very delicate balance and I was checking with the table officer to see if at this point I can accept that point of privilege.

All right. I appreciate your point of privilege, but the discussion we're having here at the table is whether it's timely, and it isn't in the context of what we're doing now: taking votes, dealing with amendments. I appreciate your raising it but I would also appreciate in the future that you take other opportunities if you wish to raise these points of privilege.

Mr Tony Clement (Brampton South): On a point of privilege, Madam Chair: The member for Welland-Thorold used intemperate and unparliamentary language. I would submit to you that you cannot say indirectly what you cannot say directly in this House, and I would ask you to rule accordingly and ask the honourable member to withdraw without repeating the words which he used in this House.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you for your point of privilege. You have to understand the difficulty I'm having with this. Let me explain. The member for Welland-Thorold was quoting --

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: Excuse me. I'm trying to explain a point of privilege here.

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: The member for Fort William, please come to order. The member for Welland-Thorold was quoting from Hansard something he's already stated in this House, which was not ruled out of order at that time. He was quoting directly out of Hansard. I've already ruled that it is not in order right now to raise that point of privilege, but I would also say that in my opinion, and my ruling is, when you are quoting from something that's been in Hansard, and in this case he was attempting to apologize for having said it, I don't accept that your --

Hon Mr Tsubouchi: On a point of order, Madam Chair: In other words, it's appropriate language for me to call the member for Welland-Thorold a weenie?

The First Deputy Chair: No, but we are getting into --

Mr Steve Gilchrist (Scarborough East): Why didn't you ask him to retract?

Hon Mr Tsubouchi: Because that's part of what he did say with respect to some of the members here.

The First Deputy Chair: Order. If you want an answer, you'll have to listen. I think we're in a very precarious situation here where --

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: The member for London Centre, come to order, please -- I've now ruled it is not timely to apologize for that at this time in this forum. We are now entering into somewhat of a debate as to whether it's appropriate for what he said -- whether it was in order. I am saying to you that it is difficult for me to debate it, given that at the end of the day I've ruled it out of order at this time. But I would still say to you that he was quoting from Hansard, and how else would somebody apologize for something they've said when it's already in Hansard, not corrected or not ruled out of order at that time?

Hon Mr Tsubouchi: I wouldn't disagree with you, Madam Chair, in terms of the process you went through. However, what I'm asking you right now is whether it would be appropriate or inappropriate for me to call the member for Welland-Thorold a weenie.

Mr Kormos: You didn't ask him to retract when he referred to --

Hon Mr Tsubouchi: That was not asked to be retracted, Madam Chair.

The First Deputy Chair: I see your point, but no. I think members should always refrain from using language that is inflammatory and is provocative, but I also in my view -- and I know again this is a delicate balance, but he was not directly calling anybody a weenie. He was reading from Hansard a poem that he had read into Hansard on February -- whatever the date was -- that was written by somebody else who used the word "weenie."

Hon Mr Tsubouchi: I would agree with you, Madam Chair.

The First Deputy Chair: In my opinion, the member for Welland-Thorold --

Hon Mr Tsubouchi: Is a weenie?

The First Deputy Chair: -- did not call directly anybody a weenie.

Hon Mr Tsubouchi: Oh, I see. Sorry. Thank you, Madam Chair.

The First Deputy Chair: You're welcome.

Mr Sergio: Madam Chair --

The First Deputy Chair: Is this a point of order?

Mr Sergio: Yes, it is, on what the member for Welland-Thorold was saying. It's totally on Bill 103, Madam Chair, and I would like you to hear me out and I wonder if you can perhaps through your good judgment tell the House if maybe he was stating a fact of how the people feel about Bill 103. So perhaps --

The First Deputy Chair: That is not appropriate.

Mr Sergio: I wouldn't say there's totally anything wrong with what he had said.

The First Deputy Chair: No, please take your seat. That is not appropriate.

Mr Kormos: On a point of privilege, Madam Chair: That song by Robert Priest is now available in a wonderful CD called "Mega-CD" available at record stores across Toronto. I urge people to buy it.

The First Deputy Chair: No, the member for Welland-Thorold, take your seat. Please, no applauding in the gallery. Take your seat. Okay, let's get back to these important amendments.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benlamond Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benlamond Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benlark Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benlark Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Should the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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Mr Baird: On a point of order, Madam Speaker: I've been checking, consulting the record, and members should get up and correct the record themselves when they've made an error. I have been using the figure of a quarter of a million dollars a day that we're erasing. It's $280,000 of the taxpayers' money we're erasing -- outrageous, absolutely outrageous.

The First Deputy Chair: That is completely out of order. Put the paper down, please. You know you're not supposed to --

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Calm down, everybody. That was completely out of order.

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: I am not going to engage in another discussion. We've already been through that. Let me hear your point of privilege, but I want to make it clear, if it's on this, it is not to be discussed.

Mr Kormos: On a point of privilege, Madam Chair: I know the Chair has ruled on this inappropriate demonstration, but I find my privileges interfered with because if this government hadn't raised MPPs' salaries immediately after they docked single mothers' pay by 21.6%, it might not be that high.

The First Deputy Chair: Member for York South, did you have a point of order?

Mr Kennedy: Madam Chair, a point of privilege, because I think our privileges are offended when we let this kind of discussion go so far off the rails. I'd like to suggest we return to the amendments, but I think it is important that the people watching appreciate that what we're talking about is the total operating costs of the House, that 65% of it belongs to the members opposite and $170,000 is what they're paying per day for this representation that took away from us any possibility of discussing the future of Toronto by giving us only one hour. Therefore, they're responsible for any excess costs and they're certainly responsible and people need to know what we're paying for that kind of representation.

The First Deputy Chair: We are not in debate right now. The member for York South, thank you. That is not a point of privilege. Let's go back, as the member for York South mentioned at the beginning, to our amendments.

The member for Cornwall on a point of order.

Mr John C. Cleary (Cornwall): Thanks, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask you, on a point of order: It's my understanding that to heckle in this House you have to be in your seat. Is that correct?

The First Deputy Chair: Well, no.

Mr Cleary: The other thing I want to ask you: To stand up in this House to vote, the five members have to be in their seats. On the voice vote, can you heckle and be in someone else's seat?

The First Deputy Chair: I will respond to the first point. Heckling is always out of order, always, and as I think you've heard the Speaker say at times, especially when you're out of your seat, but in fact you're out of order heckling in your seat or out of your seat.

On the second point, the member for Cornwall is quite right. You must be in your seat to stand for a vote.

Ms Lankin: But not for voice votes.

Mr Gilchrist: To stand for a vote, not for a voice vote.

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Perhaps that will make us all calm down a little bit. We've been reminded by the member for Cornwall that heckling is entirely out of order, in or out of your seats.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benleigh Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benleigh Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4):

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benlight Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benlight Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

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The Chair: We'll now deal with the NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benner Avenue living in the urban area'" --

I wonder if it could be a little more quiet so that I can read the amendment properly as it should be read.

-- "`shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benner Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"

Interjections.

The Chair: I cannot hear anything. I would ask you just to refrain -- if you want to talk, you can go outside the House.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall'" --

Interjections.

The Chair: I would ask you for your cooperation, please.

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Mr Gravelle: Mr Chair, on a point of order --

The Chair: On a point of order on the amendment. It has to be on the amendment.

Mr Gravelle: Yes, it is on this amendment.

The Chair: I don't want any debate outside of the amendment.

Mr Gravelle: No.

The Chair: I will listen to you.

Mr Gravelle: The previous Chair made a ruling on a question asked by the member for Cornwall about legitimacy of votes when there is a voice vote, that members had to be in their seats. A concern I think in terms of this precise vote of the last bill is that a number of members on the government side are not in their seats, and I wonder whether or not you're relying on the voice vote for yeas and nays based potentially on that. We know that there are a number of members who are not in their seats, so I'm just expressing a concern about the legitimacy of the vote. If the members are not in their seats and are voicing a vote, perhaps it's not a legitimate vote.

The Chair: The procedure is that if there is a recorded vote you should be in your seat. There is nothing wrong as long as they're there, as long as they don't disturb the peace. As long as they remain quiet and proper, I see nothing wrong.

Mr Gravelle: So, Chair, you could sit anywhere you want.

The Chair: It's a voice vote on this side; it's a recorded side on this side. So if it's a recorded vote, you have to be in your seat; if it's a voice vote, you can be anywhere you wish as long as you're in the House.

We now deal with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill" --

Interruption.

The Chair: I would ask the member from the gallery to remain quiet; otherwise, I have no other choice but to ask you to leave.

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benight Drive in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benight Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given'" -- could you please keep the noise down. The member for Lakeshore, keep the noise down please.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." Those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We are now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bennett Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bennett Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

2320

We now deal with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bennington Heights Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bennington Heights Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We're dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benorama Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benorama Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We're dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benprice Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benprice Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We're now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benroyal Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benroyal Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We're now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benrubin Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benrubin Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

2330

We're now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benshire Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benshire Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We're now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benson Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benson Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benstrow Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benstrow Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye."

Interjections.

The Chair: Order, please. All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We're now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bentley Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied" --

There's no reason for members to talk louder than the officer in the House. I would ask you, please, to refrain from shouting and laughing too loudly, and if you wish to do so, I would ask you to do it outside the House. It would be very, very helpful.

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bentley Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bentley Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We're now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benton Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benton Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

2340

We're now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bentwick Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bentwick Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We are now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bentworth Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bentworth Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour --

Interjection.

The Chair: The member for Welland-Thorold, you're not allowed to speak to the members in the gallery.

All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benvenuto Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benvenuto Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Benway Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Benway Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beran Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beran Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We are now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Beresford Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Beresford Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

2350

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bergamot Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bergamot Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We're now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bergen Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bergen Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We're now dealing with an NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Bering Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Bering Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

An NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Berkeley Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Berkeley Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Interjections.

The Chair: Please, just keep the noise down.

NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

"`Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Berkham Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Berkham Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

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