Assemblée

législative
de l’Ontario

Votes and Proceedings

Procès-verbaux

No. 24

No 24

1st Session
42nd Parliament

1re session
42e législature

Wednesday
September 19, 2018

Mercredi

19 septembre 2018

9:00 A.M.

9 H

PRAYERS

PRIÈRES

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

Mr. Smith (Bay of Quinte) moved,

M. Smith (Baie de Quinte) propose,

That, pursuant to Standing Order 47 and notwithstanding any other Standing Order or Special Order of the House relating to Bill 31, An Act to amend the City of Toronto Act, 2006, the Municipal Act, 2001, the Municipal Elections Act, 1996 and the Education Act and to revoke two regulations, when Bill 31 is next called as a Government Order, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Second Reading stage of the Bill, without further debate or amendment, and at such time the Bill shall be ordered for Third Reading, which Order may be called that same day; and

That, when the Order for Third Reading of the Bill is called, the Speaker shall put every question necessary to dispose of this stage of the Bill without further debate or amendment; and

That, except in the case of a recorded division arising from morning Orders of the Day, pursuant to Standing Order 9(c), no deferral of the Second Reading or Third Reading vote shall be permitted; and

That, in the case of any division relating to any proceedings on the Bill, the division bell shall be limited to five minutes.

Debate arose and after some time,

Il s’élève un débat et après quelque temps,

Mr. Bisson moved,

M. Bisson propose,

That the motion be amended by deleting everything after “ordered” in the first paragraph and replacing with:

“to the Standing Committee on General Government; and

That the Standing Committee on General Government be authorized to meet on Wednesday, September 26, 2018, from 2:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and Thursday, September 27, 2018 from 2:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. for the purpose of public hearings on the Bill; and

That the Clerk of the Committee, in consultation with the Committee Chair, be authorized to arrange the following with regard to Bill 31:

• Notice of public hearings on the Ontario parliamentary channel, the Legislative Assembly’s website and Canada NewsWire; and

• That the deadline for requests appear to be 6:00 p.m. on Monday, September 24, 2018; and

• That witnesses be scheduled to appear before the Committee on a first-come, first-served basis; and

• That each witness will receive up to nine minutes for their presentation followed by six minutes for questions from Committee members divided equally amongst the recognized parties; and

That the deadline for written submissions be 8:00 p.m. on Thursday, September 27, 2018; and

That the deadline for filing amendments to the Bill with the Clerk of the Committee shall be 9:00 a.m. on Monday, October 1, 2018; and

That the Committee be authorized to meet on Wednesday, October 3, 2018, from 9:00 a.m. to 10:15 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. for the purpose of clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill; and

That on Wednesday, October 3, 2018, at 5:30 p.m., those amendments which have not yet been moved shall be deemed to have been moved, and the Chair of the Committee shall interrupt the proceedings and shall, without further debate or amendment, put every question necessary to dispose of all the remaining sections of the Bill and any amendments thereto. At this time, the Chair shall allow one 20-minute waiting period pursuant to Standing Order 129(a); and

That the Committee shall report the Bill to the House no later than Thursday, October 4, 2018. In the event that the Committee fails to report the Bill on that day, the Bill shall be deemed to be passed by the Committee and shall be deemed to be reported to and received by the House; and

That, upon receiving the report of the Standing Committee on General Government, the Speaker shall put the question for adoption of the report forthwith, and at such time the Bill shall be ordered for Third Reading, which Order may be called that same day; and

That, when the Order for Third Reading of the Bill is called, one hour of debate shall be allotted to the Third Reading stage of the Bill with 30 minutes apportioned to the Government, 20 minutes to the Official Opposition, seven minutes to the independent Liberal Party members and three minutes to the independent Green Party member. At the end of this time, the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put every question necessary to dispose of this stage of the Bill without further debate or amendment; and

That, except in the case of a recorded division arising from morning Orders of the Day, pursuant to Standing Order 9(c), no deferral of the Second Reading or Third Reading vote shall be permitted; and

That, in the case of any division relating to any proceedings on the Bill, the division bell shall be limited to five minutes, except that the division bell for the vote on the motion for Third Reading shall be 15 minutes.”

Debate arose and after some time the House recessed at 10:15 a.m.

Il s’élève un débat et après quelque temps, à 10 h 15, la Chambre a suspendu la séance.

10:30 A.M.

10 H 30

The Speaker informed the House,

Le Président a informé la Chambre,

That the following document was tabled:-

Que le document suivant a été déposé :-

A Report concerning the review of expense claims under the Cabinet Ministers’ and Opposition Leaders’ Expenses Review and Accountability Act, 2002, for submissions received in May 2018 and July 2018 and complete as of September 14, 2018, from the Office of the Integrity Commissioner of Ontario (Sessional Paper No. 46) (Tabled September 18, 2018).

The Speaker addressed the House:-

Le Président s’adresse à la Chambre :-

I wish to make a brief statement on Part 6 of the Standing Orders, specifically Standing Orders 22(h) and 22(i), which state it is inappropriate in debate for a Member to “make allegations against another Member,” and it is inappropriate in debate for a Member to “impute false or unavowed motive to another Member.”

From time to time in recent days, I have reminded Members that “imputing motive” on the part of another Member, is not appropriate, and makes it much more difficult for the Speaker to maintain order and decorum, which is the Speaker’s basic responsibility as explained in Standing Order 13.

Once again, I want to implore Members that imputing false motives against another Member is not appropriate, it is not helpful, and subject to the judgement of the Chair, it is contrary to the Standing Orders.

I know all Members to be honorable, and no Member should deliberately wish to be in breach of the Standing Orders.

However, today I feel compelled to make something clear to all Members.

If, in the opinion of the Chair, the imputing of false motives continues to occur, the Chair may ask the Member to withdraw the statement. If in this instance, the offending Member refuses to withdraw, or persists in the behaviour in defiance of Standing Orders 22(h) and 22(i) and the Chair’s ruling on them, the Chair may exercise his or her authority to call for further debate or the next question, and the offending Member will lose the floor.

ORAL QUESTIONS

QUESTIONS ORALES

With unanimous consent,

Avec le consentement unanime,

On motion by Mr. Smith (Bay of Quinte),

Sur la motion de M. Smith (Baie de Quinte),

Ordered, That, notwithstanding Standing Order 38(b), the Parliamentary Assistant for Indigenous Affairs shall participate in place of the Parliamentary Assistant to the Premier during the adjournment debate on northern Indigenous education.

The House recessed at 11:38 a.m.

À 11 h 38, la Chambre a suspendu la séance.

3:00 P.M.

15 H

REPORTS BY COMMITTEES

RAPPORTS DES COMITÉS

Ms. McKenna from the Standing Committee on the Legislative Assembly presented the Committee’s Report.

Mme McKenna du Comité permanent de l’Assemblée législative a présenté le rapport du comité.

It is recommended that the ministries and offices of the government be assigned to the Standing Committees as follows:-

Standing Committee on General Government

Management Board of Cabinet

Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs

Ministry of Economic Development, Job Creation and Trade

Ministry of Energy, Northern Development and Mines

Ministry of the Environment, Conservation and Parks

Ministry of Finance

Ministry of Infrastructure

Ministry of Intergovernmental Affairs

Ministry of Labour

Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing

Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry

Ministry of Tourism, Culture and Sport

Ministry of Transportation

Office of the Premier and Cabinet Office

Treasury Board Secretariat

Standing Committee on Justice Policy

Ministry of the Attorney General

Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services

Ministry of Government and Consumer Services

Ministry of Indigenous Affairs

Ministry Responsible for Francophone Affairs

Ministry Responsible for Women’s Issues

Standing Committee on Social Policy

Ministry of Children, Community and Social Services

Ministry of Education

Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care

Ministry for Seniors and Accessibility

Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities

Pursuant to Standing Order 111(b), the Report was deemed to be adopted by the House (Sessional Paper No. 47).

Conformément à l’article 111 b) du Règlement, le rapport est réputé adopté par la Chambre (Document parlementaire no 47).

INTRODUCTION OF BILLS

DÉPÔT DES PROJETS DE LOI

On motion by Hon. Mr. McNaughton, Bill 32, An Act to amend the Ontario Energy Board Act, 1998, was introduced and read the first time on division.

Sur la motion de L’hon. M. McNaughton, le projet de loi 32, Loi modifiant la Loi de 1998 sur la Commission de l’énergie de l’Ontario, est présenté et lu une première fois au vote.

The following Bill was introduced and read the first time:-

Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois :-

Bill 33, An Act governing the identification of truss and lightweight construction in buildings. Mr. Pettapiece.

Projet de loi 33, Loi régissant l’identification des composants structuraux à ossature légère incorporés aux bâtiments. M. Pettapiece.

PETITIONS

PÉTITIONS

Health and physical education curriculum (Sessional Paper No. P-2) Ms. Lindo.

Implementing minimum wage (Sessional Paper No. P-4) Ms. Karpoche.

Universal pharmacare (Sessional Paper No. P-14) Mr. Harden.

Toronto municipal elections (Sessional Paper No. P-18) Ms. Andrew and Ms. Karpoche.

Basic Income Pilot Project (Sessional Paper No. P-22) Mr. Schreiner.

Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada Call to Action regarding curriculum revision (Sessional Paper No. P-30) Mme Gélinas.

The price of gasoline (Sessional Paper No. P-34) Mme Gélinas.

Injured workers (Sessional Paper No. P-36) Ms. Karpoche.

Family-created housing (Sessional Paper No. P-41) Ms. Fife.

La Loi sur les foyers de soins de longue durée (Document parlementaire no P-42) Mme Lindo.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

Motion regarding amendments to the Standing Orders.

Debate resumed and after some time,

Le débat a repris et après quelque temps,

Mme Gélinas moved,

Mme Gélinas propose,

That the motion be amended by deleting everything after “That” in the first paragraph and replacing with:

“a Select Committee on Modernizing the Standing Orders be appointed to consider and report to the House its observations and recommendations with respect to proposed changes to the Standing Orders that would better serve the democratic interests of the people of Ontario.

That in developing its strategy and recommendations, the Committee shall focus on the following:

• Measures that reflect the Government’s right to carry out its agenda and opposition parties’ responsibility to hold the Government to account

That the Committee shall have the authority to call for persons, papers and things, and generally shall have such duties and powers as are required to carry out its mandate;

That the Committee be composed of five members from the Government, one of which shall be the Chair, two members of the Official Opposition, one Liberal Independent member and one Green Independent; and

That the Committee shall report back to the House by no later than February 28, 2019.”

Debate arose and after some time,

Il s’élève un débat et après quelque temps,

Mme Des Rosiers moved,

Mme Des Rosiers propose,

That the amendment to the motion be amended by adding at the end:

“That, pending the work of the Select Committee on Modernizing the Standing Orders,

Standing Order 24(b) is deleted and the following substituted:

24(b) Notwithstanding clause (a), at the commencement of any debate set out in this Standing Order, the first speaker for any recognized Party in the House may speak for not more than 60 minutes, an Independent Liberal Member may speak for 30 minutes and a Green Independent member may speak for 5 minutes:

(i) debate on Second Reading of a government bill;

(ii) debate on Third Reading of a government bill;

(iii) debate on the Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne;

(iv) debate on the Budget motion;

(v) debate on any other substantive government motion.

Standing Order 24(d) is amended by adding after the word “Party”, “and any Liberal Independent member may divide his or her time among any other of the Liberal Independent members.”

Standing Order 24 is amended by adding the following clause:

(f) In conducting any debate under this Standing Order, the Speaker shall have regard to the rotation recommendation set out in section 1 of the Schedule to the Standing Orders.

Standing Order 31(c) is deleted and the following substituted:

31(c) One Liberal Independent Member shall be entitled to make one Members’ Statement each day, except that once every 8 sessional days, such statement shall instead be allotted to the Green Independent Member.

Standing Order 33(c) is amended by adding at the end of the first line “and to each Independent member”.

Standing Order 37(i) is deleted and the following substituted:

37(i) The Speaker has the discretion to permit an independent member to participate in Oral Questions. In exercising this discretion, the Speaker shall have regard to the rotation recommendation set out in section 2 of the Schedule to the Standing Orders.

Standing Order 43(a)(iii) and (iv) are deleted and the following substituted:

(iii) shall be distributed such that the Official Opposition is entitled to designate 4 days, and the Liberal Independents may designate 1 day;

(iv) shall be taken up upon the commencement of Orders of the Day in the afternoon on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, as the case may be, the time available being apportioned such that the Independent members shall have 20% of the available time, to be divided among them at their discretion, with the remaining time apportioned equally among the recognized Parties in the House; the time for a reply by the mover of the motion shall be included in the time apportioned to the Party of which the mover is a member, or to the Independent members, as the case may be;

Standing Order 44(a) is deleted and the following substituted:

44(a) In any Session, upon proper notice, the Official Opposition is entitled to not more than three motions of want of confidence in the government; the recognized Party having the third largest membership in the House is entitled to not more than two such motions, any other recognized Party to one, and the Independent Liberals to one.

Standing Order 47(b) is amended by deleting the words “apportioned equally among the recognized parties” and substituting “apportioned such that the Independent members shall have 20% of the available time, to be divided among them at their discretion, with the remaining time apportioned equally among the recognized Parties in the House”.

Standing Order 54 is amended by adding after the word “Parties”, “and to each Independent member”.

Standing Order 63(d) is amended by deleting the words “apportioned equally among the recognized parties” and substituting “apportioned such that the Independent members shall have 20% of the available time, to be divided among them at their discretion, with the remaining time apportioned equally among the recognized Parties in the House”.

Standing Order 64 is amended by deleting the words “apportioned equally among the recognized parties” and substituting “apportioned such that the Independent members shall have 20% of the available time, to be divided among them at their discretion, with the remaining time apportioned equally among the recognized Parties in the House”.

Standing Order 67(b) is amended by deleting the words “apportioned equally among the recognized parties” and substituting “apportioned such that the Independent members shall have 20% of the available time, to be divided among them at their discretion, with the remaining time apportioned equally among the recognized Parties in the House”.

Standing Order 77(a) is amended by adding “and to all Independent members”.

Standing Order 98(a) is amended by adding the following sub-clause:

(ii.1) A period of 8 minutes allotted to the Liberal Independent members, and a period of 4 minutes allotted to the Green Independent member.

Standing Order 98(a)(iv) is deleted.

Standing Order 113 is amended by adding the following clause:

113(e.1) A Liberal Independent Member on any committee may provide written notification to the Clerk of the Committee, before or within the first 30 minutes of a Committee meeting being called to order, that another Liberal Independent member will be temporarily substituting for all or part of a committee meeting.

Standing Order 125 is deleted and the following substituted:

125. Following the election of a Chair and Vice-Chair at its first meeting in each Session, a Standing Committee shall appoint a Sub-committee on Committee Business, consisting of the Chair of the Standing Committee as Chair, one member from each of the recognized Parties on the Committee and for those committees whose membership includes an Independent Liberal, that member, to meet from time to time at the call of the Chair or at the request of any member thereof and to report to the Committee on the business of the Committee.

The following Schedule to the Standing Orders is added:

SCHEDULE

1. Recommended rotation during debates under Standing Order 24

Government; Official Opposition; Liberal Independent member; Government; Official Opposition; Green Independent member (“bankable” in accordance with the Speaker’s statement given on July 19, 2018), then repeat the rotation.

2. Recommended rotation during Oral Questions

Official Opposition - 1 question and 2 supplementary questions

Official Opposition - 1 question and 2 supplementary questions

Liberal Independent member - 1 question and 1 supplementary question

Independent member - 1 question and 1 supplementary question

Followed by a repeated rotation of:

Official Opposition - 1 question and 1 supplementary question

Government - 1 question and 1 supplementary question

Official Opposition - 1 question and 1 supplementary question

Government - 1 question and 1 supplementary question

Any one Independent Member - 1 question and 1 supplementary question.”

Debate arose and after some time,

Il s’élève un débat et après quelque temps,

At 6:00 p.m., the following matters were considered in an adjournment debate.

À 18 h, les questions suivantes ont été examinées dans un débat d’ajournement.

Member for Mushkegowuk—James Bay (Mr. Bourgouin) to the Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Indigenous Affairs – Unsafe school conditions in Kashechewan.

Member for Orléans (Mme Lalonde) to the Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing – Reduction of Municipal Council.

The House adjourned at 6:20 p.m.

À 18 h 20, la Chambre a ajourné ses travaux.

le président

Ted Arnott

Speaker

SESSIONAL PAPERS PRESENTED PURSUANT TO STANDING ORDER 40

DOCUMENTS PARLEMENTAIRES DÉPOSÉS CONFORMÉMENT À L’ARTICLE 40 DU RÈGLEMENT

COMPENDIA:

Bill 32, An Act to amend the Ontario Energy Board Act, 1998 (No. 48) (Tabled September 19, 2018).

Adjudicative Tribunals, Crown Employees Grievance Settlement Board, 2017-2018 Annual Report (No. 45) (Tabled September 18, 2018).

Adjudicative Tribunals, Ontario Labour Relations Board, 2017-2018 Annual Report (No. 41) (Tabled September 18, 2018).

Adjudicative Tribunals, Public Service Grievance Board, 2017-2018 Annual Report (No. 44) (Tabled September 18, 2018).

College of Trades Appointments Council and Classification Roster, 2017-2018 Annual Report (No. 40) (Tabled September 18, 2018).

Independent Police Review Director, Office of the, 2017-2018 Annual Report / Directeur indépendant de l’examen de la police, Bureau du, Rapport annuel 2017-2018 (No. 39) (Tabled September 18, 2018).

Office of the Employer Adviser, 2017-2018 Annual Report (No. 42) (Tabled September 18, 2018).

Office of the Worker Adviser, 2017-2018 Annual Report (No. 43) (Tabled September 18, 2018).