36th Parliament, 1st Session

No. 216 No 216

Votes and

Proceedings

Procès-verbaux

Legislative Assembly

of Ontario

Assemblée législative

de l'Ontario

1st Session,

36th Parliament

1re session,

36e législature

Wednesday,

August 20, 1997

Mercredi

20 août 1997

PRAYERS

1:30 P.M.

PRIÈRES

13 H 30

PETITIONS

PÉTITIONS

Petition relating to Bill 75, Alcohol, Gaming and Charity Funding Public Interest Act, 1996 (Sessional Paper No. P-260) (Tabled August 20, 1997) Mr J. Tascona.

Petition relating to the Opposition to fingerprinting Ontario Citizens (Sessional Paper No. P-261) (Tabled August 20, 1997) Mr F. Miclash.

Petition relating to Issuing a Deductible credit for Ontario Seniors (Sessional Paper No. P-267) (Tabled August 20, 1997) Mr F. Miclash.

Petitions relating to Enacting legislation to require women to wear tops in public places (Sessional Paper No. P-278) (Tabled August 20, 1997) Mr G. Leadston and Mr B. Wood (London South).

Petition relating to Withdrawal of Bill 136 (Sessional Paper No. P-290) (Tabled August 20, 1997) Mr D. Christopherson.

Petition relating to Women's College Hospital (Sessional Paper No. P-292) (Tabled August 20, 1997) Mrs M. Boyd.

Petition relating to "Northern Ontario Investments" (Sessional Paper No. P-293) (Tabled August 20, 1997) Mr R. Bartolucci.

Petition relating to Working committee for the phase-out of environmental toxins (Sessional Paper No. P-294) (Tabled August 20, 1997) Ms M. Churley.

Petition relating to Public inquiry into the shooting death of Dudley George (Sessional Paper No. P-295) (Tabled August 20, 1997) Mr B. Wildman.

REPORTS BY COMMITTEES

RAPPORTS DES COMITÉS

Mr Miclash from the Standing Committee on Government Agencies presented the Committee's Forty-first Report (Sessional Paper No. 551) (Tabled August 20, 1997).

M. Miclash du Comité permanent des organismes gouvernementaux présente le quarante et unième rapport du comité (document parlementaire no 551) (déposé le 20 août 1997).

Pursuant to Standing Order 106(g)(11), the Report was deemed to be adopted by the House.

Conformément à l'article 106(g)(11), le rapport est réputé avoir été adopté par l'Assemblée.

INTRODUCTION OF BILLS

DÉPÔT DES PROJETS DE LOI

The following Bill was introduced and read the first time:-

Le projet de loi suivant est présenté et lu une première fois:-

Bill 151, An Act to preserve Lynde Marsh in Whitby for conservation and educational purposes. Mr J. Flaherty.

Projet de loi 151, Loi visant à préserver Lynde Marsh à Whitby à des fins de conservation et d'enseignement. M. J. Flaherty.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORDRE DU JOUR

The Order of the Day for Resuming the Adjourned Debate on the Amendment to the motion as amended for Adoption of amendments to the Standing Orders having been read,

In accordance with the Order of the House passed on June 26, 1997 the Speaker put the question forthwith on the motion which question was carried on the following division:-

Le Président, met la motion aux voix immédiatement, conformément à l'ordre adopté par l'Assemblée le 26 juin 1997, et cette motion est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 58

Arnott Harris Pettit

Baird Hastings Preston

Bassett Hodgson Ross

Boushy Jackson Saunderson

Brown Johns Shea

(Scarborough West) Johnson Smith

Carroll (Don Mills) Sterling

Chudleigh Jordan Stewart

Cunningham Kells Tascona

Doyle Klees Tilson

Ecker Leach Tsubouchi

Elliott Leadston Turnbull

Fisher Marland Villeneuve

Flaherty Martiniuk Wettlaufer

Ford McLean Wilson

Fox Munro Witmer

Froese Mushinski Wood

Galt Newman (London South)

Grimmett O'Toole Young

Hardeman Ouellette

Harnick Parker

NAYS / CONTRE - 31

Bartolucci Duncan McLeod

Boyd Gerretsen Miclash

Bradley Grandmaître Morin

Brown Hampton Patten

(Algoma-Manitoulin) Hoy Phillips

Christopherson Kormos Pouliot

Churley Lalonde Pupatello

Cleary Lankin Sergio

Conway Martel Wildman

Crozier Martin Wood

Curling McGuinty (Cochrane North)

And it was,

Ordered, That the Standing Orders be amended as follows:

That Standing Order 1(b) be deleted and the following substituted:

(b) The purpose of these Standing Orders is to ensure that Proceedings are conducted in a manner that respects the democratic rights of members,

(i) to submit motions, resolutions and bills for the consideration of the Assembly and its committees, and to have them determined by democratic vote;

(ii) to debate, speak to, and vote on motions, resolutions and bills;

(iii) to hold the government accountable for its policies; and

(iv) collectively, to decide matters submitted to the Assembly or a Committee.

(c) In all contingencies not provided for in the Standing Orders the question shall be decided by the Speaker or Chair, and in making the ruling the Speaker or Chair shall base the decision on the democratic rights of members referred to in clause (b). In doing so the Speaker shall have regard to any applicable usages and precedents of the Legislature and Parliamentary tradition.

(d) The Standing Orders shall not be interpreted or applied in a manner that permits a member to obtain a procedural or tactical advantage by contravening a Standing Order.

That Standing Order 6(b) be deleted.

That Standing Order 9(c) be deleted and the following substituted:

(c) The House may meet between the hours of 6:30 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. on the passage of a government motion for that purpose. Such a motion requires notice, and must appear on the Orders and Notices paper by the first Sessional day of the first week to which the motion applies. Such a motion may apply to one day or to more than one day. The question on such a motion shall be put forthwith and without amendment or debate. Despite Standing Order 2, such an evening meeting period is a new Sessional day. It shall be limited to the consideration of government orders or private members' public business or both, according to the terms of the motion, but no government bill shall be called on more than one Sessional day during a single calendar day without unanimous consent. If a recorded vote is requested by 5 members, the division bell shall be limited to 15 minutes. At 9:30 of such an evening meeting period, the Speaker shall adjourn the House without motion until the next Sessional day.

(c.1) Where a motion under clause (c) provides that all or part of an evening meeting period shall be devoted to the consideration of private members' public business, the motion shall indicate the business to be considered, the time or times reserved for such business, and any special procedure to be followed. Such motion may provide that all or part of Standing Order 96 applies with necessary modifications to the debate on private members' public business.

(c.2) The House may sit beyond the hours provided in clauses (a) and (c) on the passage of a government motion for that purpose. Such a motion requires notice, and must appear on the Orders and Notices paper by the first Sessional day of the first week to which the motion applies. The question on such a motion shall be put forthwith and without amendment or debate. If a recorded vote is requested by 5 members, the division bells shall be limited to 15 minutes.

That Standing Order 10(a) be deleted and the following substituted:

(a) Whenever the House stands adjourned, if the government advises the Speaker that the public interest requires the House to meet at an earlier time, the Speaker shall give notice that the House shall meet at such time, and thereupon the House shall meet to transact its business as if it had been duly adjourned to that time and the period referred to in sub- clause 6(a)(i) or (ii) had been extended accordingly.

That Standing Order 11 be amended by adding the following clause:

(e) If on Thursday morning the House is adjourned for lack of a quorum during the consideration of private members' public business, it shall stand adjourned until 1:30 p.m. of the same day.

That Standing Order 13 be amended by adding the following clauses after clause (b):

(b.1) The Speaker may rule on a point of privilege or point of order when it is raised without allowing any discussion apart from the member raising the point.

(b.2) A member raising a point of order or point of privilege, and any member permitted by the Speaker to speak to it, must put the point tersely and speak only to the point raised. A point of order or privilege is heard in silence by the House.

That Standing Orders 15 and 16 be deleted and the following substituted:

15. (a) If a member on being called to order for an offence against any Standing Order persists in the offence, the Speaker may direct the member to discontinue, and if such member refuses to comply, the Speaker shall name the member to the House.

(b) When a member is named by the Speaker, if the offence is a minor one, the Speaker may order the member to withdraw for the balance of the Sessional day; but if the matter appears to the Speaker to be of a more serious nature, the Speaker shall put the question on the motion being made, no amendment, adjournment or debate being allowed, "that such member be suspended from the service of the House", such suspension being for any time stated in the motion not exceeding 8 Sessional days.

(c) If any member on being named and directed to withdraw from the House refuses to obey the direction of the Speaker when summoned under the Speaker's Order by the Sergeant-at-Arms, the Speaker shall call to the attention of the House that force is necessary in order to compel obedience and such member shall thereupon, without motion, be suspended from the service of the House for the remainder of the Session.

(d) If a member suspended under clause (c) does not leave the House, the member's presence in the House shall not be recognised and the business of the House shall proceed as if the member had left.

16. (a) In the case of grave disorder in the House, the Speaker or the Chair may, if he or she thinks it necessary to do so and unless it would disadvantage a member who is not responsible for the disorder, adjourn the House or a Committee without motion, or suspend any meeting for a time to be named by him or her.

That Standing Order 20(a) be deleted and the following substituted:

20. (a) Members shall remain in their places and refrain from interrupting the Speaker when he or she has risen to speak, make a ruling, or put a question to the House.

That Standing Order 21 be deleted and the following substituted:

21. (a) Privileges are the rights enjoyed by the House collectively and by the members of the House individually conferred by the Legislative Assembly Act and other statutes, or by practice, precedent, usage and custom.

(b) Once the Speaker finds that a prima facie case of privilege exists it shall be taken into consideration immediately.

(c) Any Member proposing to raise a point of privilege, other than one arising out of proceedings in the chamber during the course of a Sessional day, shall give to the Speaker a written statement of the point at least one hour prior to raising the question in the House.

(d) The Speaker may rule that a prima facie case of privilege does not exist on the basis of the written statement referred to in clause (c) and, despite clause 13(b.1), may do so without allowing discussion from any member.

That Standing Order 22(b) be deleted and the following substituted:

(b) When two or more members rise to speak, the Speaker shall call upon the member who, in the Speaker's opinion, rose first in his or her place.

That Standing Order 22 be further amended by adding the following clause:

(d) Subject to the Standing Orders and any other order of the House, nothing prevents the Speaker or Chair of the Committee of the Whole House from recognizing an independent member to speak.

That Standing Orders 24 and 25 be deleted and the following substituted:

24. (a) Except where otherwise expressly provided by the Standing Orders or by unanimous consent of a Committee, no member shall speak in the House or Committee for more than 20 minutes.

(b) Notwithstanding clause (a), the first speaker for any recognized Party in the House may speak for not more than 40 minutes in the following circumstances:

(i) debate on second reading of a government bill

(ii) debate on third reading of a government bill

(iii) debate on the address in reply to the speech from the Throne

(iv) debate on the Budget Motion

(v) debate on the interim supply motion

(vi) debate on any other substantive government motion

(c) Notwithstanding clause (a) no member shall speak for more than 10 minutes after 5 hours of debate on second or third reading of a government bill.

25. (a) Following the speech of each member, a period not exceeding 10 minutes shall be made available, if required, to allow members to ask questions and comment briefly on matters relevant to the matters before the House and to allow responses thereto, in the following circumstances:

(i) debate on second reading of a government bill, but no such 10 minute period shall be allowed following the reply allowed to the minister or parliamentary assistant who has moved second reading of the bill;

(ii) debate on third reading of a government bill, but no such 10 minute period shall be allowed following the reply allowed to the minister or parliamentary assistant who has moved third reading of the bill;

(iii) debate on the Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne, but no such 10 minute period shall be allowed following the speeches of the mover and the seconder of the motion for the Address; the speeches of the members speaking first on behalf of the Official Opposition and the other recognized Opposition Parties, and the speeches of the members winding up the Throne Debate for each recognized Party;

(iv) debate on the Budget motion, but no such 10 minute period shall be allowed following the presentation of the Budget by the Minister of Finance, the speeches of the members speaking first on behalf of the Official Opposition and the other recognized Opposition Parties, and the speeches of the members winding up the Budget Debate for each recognized Party; and

(v) debate on a motion for Interim Supply.

(b) In asking a question or making a comment with respect to the matters set out in clause (a), no member shall speak for more than 2 minutes. Two minutes shall be reserved for the reply of the member originally speaking.

That Standing Order 28 be deleted and the following substituted:

28. (a) When a voice vote has been taken on any question, a division may be required by 5 members standing in their places.

(b) When members have been called in for a division, there shall be no further debate.

(c) When the members have been called in, the Speaker shall again put the question and, subject to Standing Order 12, every member present at that time who wishes to vote shall rise and record his or her vote.

(d) Members are not compelled to vote and those who wish to abstain should remain in their seats when asked to rise and record their vote. An abstention shall not be entered in the Votes and Proceedings or Journals.

(e) The names of the members voting on each side of the question shall be entered in the Votes and Proceedings and the Journals, except on dilatory motions when the numbers only shall be entered.

(f) Immediately after the vote, the pairs, if any, shall be declared and shall be entered in the Votes and Proceedings and the Journals.

(g) Except as otherwise provided in the Standing Orders, the division bells shall be limited to 30 minutes.

(h) Except where a Standing Order or other order fixes the time of the vote, a vote may be deferred at the request of any Chief Whip of a recognized Party in the House. The Speaker shall then defer the taking of the vote to the next Sessional day during the routine proceeding "Deferred Votes" at which time the bells shall be rung for 5 minutes.

(i) Divisions requested on motions to adjourn the House or the debate, that the Chair of a Committee of the Whole House report progress and ask for leave to meet again or leave the chair, and for closure shall not be deferred.

(j) Notwithstanding Standing Order 30(b), the Speaker shall put every question on the deferred votes.

That Standing Order 30 be deleted and the following substituted:

30. (a) The routine proceedings before the Orders of the Day are as follows:

Members' Statements

Reports by Committees

Introduction of Bills

Motions

Statements by the Ministry and Responses

Deferred Votes

Oral Questions

Petitions

(b) At 4:00 p.m. on any day on which the House has not commenced Orders of the Day, the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put every question necessary to dispose of the Routine Proceeding currently occupying the House and immediately call Orders of the Day.

That Standing Order 31 be amended by adding the following clause:

(d) The Speaker has the discretion to permit an independent member to make a statement for no longer than one and one-half minutes. In exercising his or her discretion, the Speaker shall have regard to the opportunities that members of recognized parties have to make such statements. An independent member shall notify the Speaker of his or her intention to make a statement.

That Standing Order 33 be amended by adding the following clause:

(j) The Speaker has the discretion to permit an independent member to place an oral question and one supplementary question during Oral Question Period. In exercising his or her discretion, the Speaker shall have regard to the opportunities that members of recognized parties - other than the Leaders of Opposition Parties or members who place questions instead of the Leaders - have to place such questions. An independent member shall notify the Speaker of his or her intention to place a question.

That Standing Order 34(f) be deleted and the following substituted:

(f) When the House continues to meet past 6:00 p.m. on a government motion as provided in Standing Order 9, except a motion under clause 9(c), the adjournment proceeding under this Standing Order shall not apply.

(f.1) If the House is scheduled to meet again at 6:30 p.m. of the same calendar day and the debate under this Standing Order has not been completed by 6:25 p.m., the Speaker shall immediately interrupt the adjournment proceeding, deem the motion to adjourn to be carried, and adjourn the House to the next Sessional day.

That Standing Order 35 be deleted and the following substituted:

35. Under the proceeding "Motions", the Government House Leader may move routine motions that are part of the technical procedure of the House, including motions under Standing Order 9 and other motions for times of meeting and adjournment of the House, and motions for changes in membership of committees and similar non-substantive matters. Except as provided by clause 9(c.2), these routine motions do not require notice.

That Standing Order 36(h) be deleted and the following substituted:

(h) Within 24 Sessional days of its presentation, excluding Sessional days pursuant to clause 9(c), the government shall file a response to a petition with the Clerk of the House and shall provide a copy of the response to the member who presented the petition.

That Standing Order 37(a) be deleted and the following substituted:

(a) The report of a standing or select committee on any bill shall be taken into consideration immediately and the Speaker shall put the question on the motion for the adoption of the report forthwith, which question shall be decided without amendment or debate. If a recorded vote is requested, the division bells shall be limited to 5 minutes.

That Standing Order 38 be amended by the addition of the following clause:

(g) No introduction of a single bill shall last more than 5 minutes.

That Standing Order 39(a) and (b) be deleted.

That Standing Order 42(g) be deleted and the following substituted:

(g) Debate on a motion shall be limited to one Sessional day. At 6:00 p.m. on that day, the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and shall put the question without debate. If a recorded vote is requested, the division bells shall be limited to 5 minutes.

That Standing Order 43(b) be deleted and the following substituted:

(b) Debate on a motion under clause (a) shall be at a time allotted by agreement of the House Leaders and restricted to one Sessional day. At 6:00 p.m. on that day, the Speaker shall interrupt the proceedings and put the question without further debate.

That Standing Order 45 be amended by adding following clause:

(d) The Speaker or Chair shall rule out of order any motion or amendment that he or she considers to be frivolous, vexatious, for purposes of delay or contrary to the Standing Orders or precedents.

That Standing Order 46(b) and (c) be deleted and the following substituted:

(b) At 6:00 p.m. or at 9:15 p.m., as the case may be, after the time allocation motion has been called as the first Government Order of the Sessional day the Speaker shall without further debate or amendment put every question necessary to dispose of the motion. If a recorded vote is requested by 5 members, division bells shall be limited to 5 minutes.

(c) A time allocation motion may not be moved until second reading debate has been completed or three Sessional days of debate have taken place on second reading consideration of any government bill or on a substantive government motion when that government bill or substantive motion has been called as the first Government Order of the Day on each of the Sessional days.

(d) A time allocation motion may not be moved on the same calendar day that any of the bills that are the subject of the motion has been called as a Government order.

That Standing Order 54 be amended by deleting the words "or a minister acting in his or her place."

That Standing Order 55 be deleted and the following substituted:

55. Before the adjournment of the House on each Thursday during the Session, the Government House Leader may announce the business for the following week.

That Standing Order 57 be amended by adding the following clause:

(b) There shall be 4 Sessional days allotted to the debate on the Budget Motion and any amendments thereto. At 5:45 p.m. or at 9:15 p.m., as the case may be, on the third Sessional day of debate, the Speaker shall without further debate or amendment put every question necessary to dispose of the Budget Motion. If a recorded vote is requested by 5 members, division bells shall be limited to 15 minutes.

That Standing Order 58 be deleted and the following substituted:

58. All main Estimates shall be presented to the House after completion of the Budget debate but not later than 12 Sessional days following the presentation of the Budget and shall be deemed to be referred to the Standing Committee on Estimates.

That Standing Order 62(c) be deleted and the following substituted:

(c) There shall be an Order for Concurrence placed on the Orders and Notices paper for each of the Estimates reported from the Committee. At 5:45 p.m. or 9:15 p.m., as the case may be, on the Sessional Day during which debate on the Orders for Concurrence commences as the first Government Order of the Day, or after three hours of debate on the Orders for Concurrence if the debate did not commence as the first Government Order of the Day, the Speaker shall without further debate put every question necessary to dispose of the Order for Concurrence in Supply for each of the ministries and offices named in the Committee's report. No amendment to any question may be moved. If a recorded vote is requested by five members, all divisions shall be stacked, and there shall be a single 15 minute division bell. Debate shall be in the House with the Speaker in the chair and subject to the usual Standing Orders.

That Standing Order 65 be amended by adding the following clause:

(b) When the debate on the interim supply motion is complete, or at 5:45 p.m or 9:15 p.m., as the case may be, on the Sessional day during which debate on the interim supply motion commences as the first Government Order of the Day, whichever is earlier, the Speaker shall without further debate or amendment put every question necessary to dispose of the motion. If a recorded vote is requested by 5 members, the division bells shall be limited to 15 minutes.

That Standing Order 68 be deleted.

That Standing Order 69(d) be deleted.

That Standing Order 75 be amended by adding the following clauses:

(b) The Chair of a Committee, including the Chair of Committee of the Whole, shall rule out of order any amendment that he or she considers to be frivolous, vexatious, for purposes of delay or contrary to the Standing Orders or Precedents.

(c) The Chair of a Committee, including the Chair of Committee of the Whole, may group the votes on amendments appropriately grouped together, select the order in which amendments are to be voted, dispense with the reading of an amendment provided that the text of the amendment is available to members and members are informed of what amendment is before them, select from among duplicative amendments those which shall be voted and those which shall not, or take such other steps as he or she considers necessary to facilitate the committee's consideration and disposition of multiple amendments.

(d) The Chair of a Committee, including the Chair of Committee of the Whole may establish deadlines for tabling amendments or for filing them with the Committee Clerk.

That Standing Order 77(a) be deleted and the following substituted:

(a) Bills reported from Committee of the Whole House shall stand ordered for third reading. Bills reported from standing or select committees shall be ordered for third reading unless the Minister or Parliamentary Assistant directs that it be referred to Committee of the Whole House.

That Standing Order 96(b) be amended by adding the following sub-clause:

(iv) The Speaker has the discretion to permit an independent member to speak for up to five minutes on the motion of another private member. In exercising his or her discretion, the Speaker shall have regard to the opportunities that members of recognized Parties have to participate in debate on other members' motions. An independent member shall give the Speaker notice of his or her intention to participate in the debate.

That Standing Order 96 be further amended by the deleting clause (d) and substituting the following:

(d) The order for consideration of the items of business shall be determined by a ballot conducted by the Clerk prior to or at the commencement of each Session. All private members, including independent members, may enter their names for the draw, and names shall be drawn from a single box.

That Standing Order 96(e) be deleted.

That Standing Order 97(d) be deleted and the following substituted:

(d) The minister shall answer such written questions within 24 Sessional days, excluding Sessional days pursuant to clause 9(c), unless he or she indicates that more time is required because the answer will be costly or time-consuming or that he or she declines to answer, in which case a notation shall be made on the Orders and Notices paper following the question indicating that the minister has made an interim answer, the approximate date that the information will be available, or that the minister has declined to answer, as the case may be.

That Standing Order 97 be further amended by adding the following clause:

(g) No Member shall have more than 10 questions on the Order Paper at any one time.

That Standing Order 106(g) be deleted and the following substituted:

(g) Standing Committee on Government Agencies which is empowered to review and report to the House its observations, opinions and recommendations on the operation of all agencies, boards and commissions to which the Lieutenant Government in Council makes some or all of the appointments, and all corporations to which the Crown in right of Ontario is a majority shareholder, such reviews to be made with a view to reducing possible redundancy and overlapping, improving the accountability of agencies, rationalizing the functions of the agencies, identifying those agencies or parts of agencies which could be subject to sunset provisions, and revising the mandates and roles of agencies, and to review the intended appointments of persons to agencies, boards and commissions and of directors to corporations in which the Crown in right of Ontario is a majority shareholder (excluding re-appointments, appointments for a term of one year or less, and appointments of persons who are public servants under the Public Service Act who remain public servants after their appointments) according to the following procedures:

1. A minister of the Crown shall lay on the Table a certificate stating that the Lieutenant Governor in Council intends to appoint a person to an agency, board or commission or to the board of directors of a corporation, together with a copy of the position description and a summary of the person's qualifications, which documents shall be deemed to be referred to the Committee.

2. Upon receipt of a certificate as referred to in paragraph 1, the Clerk of the Committee shall distribute to each member of the Sub-committee on Committee business a list of intended appointees in respect of whom a certificate has been received.

3. The Sub-committee shall meet at its own initiative, at the request of the Committee, or at the request of any member of the Sub-committee, to select from among the intended appointees referred to in paragraph 1, those intended appointees the Committee will review. Each member of the Sub-committee, other than the Chair, may choose one or more of the intended appointees for review from the certificates provided by the Clerk of the Committee.

4. The Sub-committee shall report to the Committee on the intended appointees for review. Upon receiving the report, the Committee shall determine a date for the review of the intended appointees as selected by the members of the Sub-committee. The report shall specify the amount of time allocated for the consideration of each intended appointee and the date on which each will be reviewed. An equal amount of time shall be allocated for review of each member's selections, and where a member of the Sub-committee has selected more than one intended appointee the time available to review that member's selections shall be allocated among his or her selections.

5. Upon notice from the Clerk of the Committee that an intended appointee has been selected for review, the Minister shall ensure that the Committee receives a copy of the intended appointee's resume or biographical information and a description of the responsibilities of the position.

6. A Sub-committee member may choose to defer the consideration of one or more of the intended appointees that the member has chosen until a future meeting of the Committee at which intended appointees are to be reviewed so long as the consideration of the intended appointee has not previously been deferred.

7. In reviewing an intended appointee, the Committee shall not call as a witness any person other than the intended appointee.

8. At the conclusion of the meeting held to review an intended appointment, the Committee shall determine whether or not it concurs in the intended appointment. Any member may request that the Committee defer its determination to the next meeting of the Committee, but in any event no later than 7 calendar days. In its report, the Committee shall state whether or not it concurs in the intended appointments and may state its reasons.

9. Whether or not the House stands adjourned, the Committee shall release its report by depositing it the same day with the Clerk of the Assembly and upon receipt of the report by the Clerk the report shall be deemed to be adopted by the House.

10. A report that the Committee will not review an intended appointee shall be deemed to have been made by the Committee and adopted by the House in any of the following cases:

(a) a report respecting the intended appointee has not been made by the Committee within 30 calendar days following the day on which the Minister tables the certificate referred to in paragraph 1,

(b) the Sub-committee does not at its first meeting following the day on which the Minister tables the certificate select the intended appointee for review, or

(c) the intended appointee has not been selected for review by the Sub-committee within 14 days following the day on which the Minister tabled the certificate.

11. The Committee by unanimous agreement may extend any of the deadlines in paragraph 10.

12. The Clerk of the Committee shall give the Minister who tabled the certificate written notification of any decision respecting the appointment made by the Committee or the Sub-committee on Committee business.

13. During any adjournment of the House that exceeds one week, the Committee shall meet on such day or days as may be determined by the Sub-committee, but in any event not more than three times per month.

That Standing Order 110(a) be deleted and the following substituted:

(a) Subject to clauses (a.1) and (a.2), no standing or select committee shall consist of more than 9 members and the membership of such committees shall be in proportion to the representation of the recognized Parties in the House.

(a.1) An independent member shall be appointed to at least one standing committee. An independent member may state his or her committee preference to the House Leaders but such statement of preference is not binding. Unless the House decides otherwise, no standing committee shall include more than one independent member.

(a.2) The appointment of an independent member to a standing committee shall be in addition to the members of recognized Parties referred to in clause (a), and for this purpose the committee may consist of up to 10 members. Further, a recognized Party with a majority of seats in the House is entitled to an additional member of the committee to which an independent member is appointed, and in this case the committee may consist of up to 11 members.

That Standing Order 135 be amended by adding the following clause:

(b) When two Sessional days occur on the same calendar day, a single Orders and Notices paper may be printed for both.

That the Standing Orders be amended by the addition of the following Part:

XXIV. OTHER

144. References in these Standing Orders to the Government House Leader shall be deemed also to refer to a Minister of the Crown, or the Deputy Government House Leader, or the Parliamentary Assistant to the Government House Leader, acting in place of the Government House Leader.

That these amendments to the Standing Orders, except the amendment to Standing Order 110, take effect at midnight immediately following the day on which they are adopted.

That the amendment to Standing Order 110 take effect on the third Sessional day after August 1, 1997, that the House meets.

That, except as provided below, once in effect these amendments to the Standing Orders apply to all House and committee proceedings and to all business before the House and its committees, including proceedings commenced and motions and bills introduced before these amendments took effect.

That clause 97(g) of the Standing Orders shall not affect questions placed on the Orders and Notices paper prior to June 23, 1997.

That the Clerk of the House be authorized and instructed to print a revised edition of the Standing Orders of the House, renumbering as may be deemed necessary (including reordering Part VIII to reflect the new order of routine proceedings) and making such technical and consequential changes as may be necessary.

With unanimous consent, the following motion was moved without notice:-

Avec le consentement unanime, la/les motion suivante est proposée sans préavis:-

Mr Johnson (Don Mills) moved,

M. Johnson (Don Mills) propose,

That the Standing Orders be amended as follows:

That Standing Order 9 be amended by deleting clause (c.2) and substituting:

(c.2) The House may sit outside the hours provided in clauses (a) and (c) on the passage of a government motion for that purpose.

Such a motion requires notice, as follows:

i) A motion providing that the House sit past 9:30 p.m. on one or more days must appear on the Orders and Notices paper by the second Sessional day of the week immediately preceding the first week to which the motion applies.

ii) Any other motion under this clause must appear on the Orders and Notices paper by the first Sessional day of the first week to which the motion applies.

The question on such a motion shall be put forthwith without amendment or debate. If a recorded vote is requested by 5 members, the division bells shall be limited to 15 minutes.

That Standing Order 24(b) be amended by deleting the number "40" and substituting therefor the number "60."

That Standing Order 24(c) be amended by deleting the words, "5 hours," and substituting therefor "7 hours."

That Standing Order 24 be further amended by adding the following clause:

(d) Notwithstanding clause (b), the Whip of a Party may indicate to the Speaker at any time during a debate governed by this Standing Order that one or more of the periods of debate limited pursuant to clause (b) of this Standing Order allotted to Members of his or her party are to be divided in two or more parts. Such speeches shall be given consecutively without rotation among the parties and shall be deemed to be a single speech for the purposes of Standing Order 25.

That Standing Order 35 be amended by deleting the words, "clause 9(c.2)," and substituting therefor, "Standing Order 9."

That Standing Order 55 be amended by deleting the word, "may," and substituting therefor "shall."

That Standing Order 57 be amended by deleting the word, "third," and substituting therefor, "fourth."

That Standing Order 68 be amended by adding the following clause:

(d) No bill shall be considered in any standing or select committee while any matter relating to the same policy field is being considered in the House.

That Standing Order 105(g) be amended by deleting the words, "(excluding re-appointments, appointments for a term of one year or less, and appointments of persons who are public servants under the Public Service Act who remain public servants after their appointments)" in the first paragraph, and substituting therefor, "(excluding re-appointments and appointments for a term of one year or less)."

A debate arose and, after some time, the motion was carried on the following division:-

Il s'élève un débat et après quelque temps, la motion est adoptée par le vote suivant:-

AYES / POUR - 51

Arnott Hastings Pettit

Baird Hodgson Preston

Bassett Johns Ross

Boushy Johnson Runciman

Brown (Don Mills) Shea

(Scarborough West) Jordan Smith

Carroll Kells Sterling

Chudleigh Klees Stewart

Clement Leadston Tascona

AYES / POUR - Continued

Doyle Marland Tilson

Elliott Martiniuk Turnbull

Fisher McLean Villeneuve

Fox Munro Wettlaufer

Froese Mushinski Wilson

Galt Newman Witmer

Grimmett O'Toole Wood

Guzzo Ouellette (London South)

Hardeman Parker Young

NAYS / CONTRE - 32

Agostino Crozier McGuinty

Bartolucci Curling Miclash

Bisson Duncan Morin

Boyd Gerretsen Patten

Bradley Grandmaître Phillips

Brown Gravelle Pupatello

(Algoma-Manitoulin) Hoy Sergio

Christopherson Kwinter Wildman

Churley Lalonde Wood

Cleary Lankin (Cochrane North)

Colle Martel

Conway Martin

On a point of order having been raised, the Speaker recessed the House for 15 minutes.

On his return, the Speaker delivered the following ruling:-

Let me first deal with the status of the October 17, 1995 motion respecting committee membership. As I see it, the question before us is, can that motion, be superseded. It can, if a subsequent motion either rescinds it, amends it or sets it aside by way of a notwithstanding clause. In my view the motion to amend the Standing Orders passed by this House today does none of these things. The motion applies to the duration of this Parliament regardless of what changes may be made to Standing Order 110. The House has expressed an order that despite the general provision of the Standing Order, for this Parliament there is a specific provision for the size of committees which differs.

Therefore, the application of Standing Order 110 has been suspended. Unless and until there is a superseding motion passed by this House that order stands and the committees are properly constituted at this time and for the life of this Parliament.

Debate was resumed on the motion for Second Reading of Bill 143, An Act to authorize the payment of certain amounts for the Public Service for the fiscal year ending on March 31, 1997.

Le débat reprend sur la motion portant deuxième lecture du projet de loi 143, Loi autorisant le paiement de certaines sommes destinées à la fonction publique pour l'exercice se terminant le 31 mars 1997.

After some time, the motion was declared carried and the Bill was accordingly read the second time and Ordered for Third Reading.

Après quelque temps, la motion est déclarée adoptée et en conséquence, ce projet de loi est lu une deuxième fois et ordonné pour la troisième lecture.

A debate arose on the motion for Third Reading of Bill 143, An Act to authorize the payment of certain amounts for the Public Service for the fiscal year ending on March 31, 1997.

Il s'élève un débat sur la motion portant troisième lecture du projet de loi 143, Loi autorisant le paiement de certaines sommes destinées à la fonction publique pour l'exercice se terminant le 31 mars 1997.

After some time, pursuant to Standing Order 9(a), the motion for the adjournment of the debate was deemed to have been made and carried.

Après quelque temps, conformément à l'article 9(a) du Règlement, la motion d'ajournement du débat est réputée avoir été proposée et adoptée.

The House then adjourned

at 6:00 p.m.

À 18 h, la chambre a ensuite

ajourné ses travaux.

le président

Christopher M. Stockwell

Speaker

Sessional Papers Presented Pursuant to Standing Order 39(c):-

Documents Parlementaires Déposés Conformément à l'article 39(c) du Règlement:-

Responses to Petitions:-

Réponses aux Pétitions:-

Petition relating to Traffic signals at intersection of Highway 12 and Couchiching Point Road in Orillia (Sessional Paper No. P-281):

(Tabled June 24, 1997) Mr A. McLean.