Assemblée législative de l'Ontario

L176Y - Thu 10 Apr 1997 / Jeu 10 Avr 1997

CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO

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Report continued from volume X.

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CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO

Continuing consideration of Bill 103, An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto / Projet de loi 103, Loi visant à remplacer les sept administrations municipales existantes de la communauté urbaine de Toronto en constituant une nouvelle municipalité appelée la cité de Toronto.

The Chair (Mr Gilles E. Morin): Will the clerks please take the count.

Clerk Assistant (Ms Deborah Deller): Mr Chair, the government party has 50 members.

The Chair: House leader, your party has 50 members. Do you agree?

Hon David Johnson (Chair of the Management Board of Cabinet, Government House Leader): Agreed.

Clerk Assistant: The official opposition has 15.

The Chair: House leader, you have 15. Do you agree?

Mr James J. Bradley (St Catharines): Yes.

Clerk Assistant: The third party has seven.

The Chair: House leader, do you agree, seven?

Mr Bud Wildman (Algoma): Yes.

The Chair: I have a government amendment to section 1.

Mr David Tilson (Dufferin-Peel): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I rise on a point of order on a number of issues that have been raised in the past number of days. We've sat a long time in this place. We've sat for many hours, 24 hours a day for over a week. We're now in for another long siege, it would appear. Members have been away from their families. It certainly has been most tiring for all of us in this House.

The point of order I'm asking for you to rule on is the similar types of rulings that have been done in the previous committee of the whole sessions with respect to voting on groupings. I'm referring specifically to section 24, section 29 and section 30, in other words, the points of order that were raised on those specific sections, that instead of the entire amendment being read with respect to streets, the street name be read and that will hopefully shorten down the process. I think members have indicated that they want to be able to identify these amendments, and that sounds fair, but I think to read all of the amendments with respect to streets, with respect to heritage sites, with respect to dates, would take us into an unordinarily unusual length of time.

Mr Chair, I would ask that you would rule with respect to all of those amendments and all of those groupings that they be placed in that fashion.

Mr Wildman: On a point of order, Mr Chair: First I would like you to clarify why the government member would rise to raise this matter now when we have before us, as I understand your comment, a government amendment. This is rather odd, to say the least. If you will clarify that, and if you are prepared to hear arguments on this particular matter at this point, we are prepared to make them, but it is rather strange that he would be raising arguments about opposition amendments which are not yet even called before us.

Hon David Johnson: Mr Chair, just to clarify, if it's required, the member is rising on a point of order at this point because this is the start of the voting procedure. What he is questioning is, in his view, the flexibility and the ability of the Chair and perhaps ultimately of the Speaker to guide this process so that all of the amendments which we will be considering in the future will be under the purview of the decision that you're about to make, and perhaps the Speaker is about to make.

Over the course of the next day and days we will be encountering a number of groupings. The next particular amendment may not be one that fits that category, but this is the appropriate time, right at the outset, to set the game rules, the procedures. We all know that there is a grouping of some 8,000 amendments which are almost entirely similar. There is another grouping, from the opposition party, of some 2,000 amendments which are largely similar. We feel that it's appropriate at this point for you to consider this matter and to establish the rules in that regard by which we will be governed over the course of this particular vote.

Mr Wildman: I asked for clarification on that matter before we proceed.

The Chair: Just give me a few minutes and we'll give you a decision.

Mr Wildman: I'm questioning whether it's appropriate for us to be dealing with this when you've called a government amendment.

The Chair: We'll be dealing first with the voting process, and that was raised by Mr Tilson. I will entertain arguments on that. Mr Tilson, if I understood you properly, there are two issues here. One is to deal with the grouping of the amendments and the second is the reading of the amendments.

Mr Tilson: Mr Chairman, that's correct, although I'm going one step further. If you recall, in the committee of the whole sessions we've had in the past number of days with respect to specifically streets, it was finally narrowed down to where simply the street name was referred to. I'm going one step further and saying we now know what all of those are, and surely all of those 8,000 could be voted on in one block, as could the other references with respect to historic sites and with respect to dates. I'm going even further than what the House or the committee did in the past number of days of voting individually on each individual street. I'm saying, call those groupings as is done in the House of Commons, where in fact there is a specific standing order that refers to voting in groupings. I believe this is the appropriate time to do that in this place.

Mr Wildman: Speaker, that's a very innovative approach. To suggest that we can deem a rule that doesn't exist is really a strange argument. The House of Commons has a rule; that means they passed a rule in the House and it was debated and passed. We have no such rule in this House.

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Mr Doug Galt (Northumberland): It's time.

Mr Wildman: A member says it's time. He may feel that way. Unfortunately for him and his colleagues, it is not now in existence. A member can make an argument that we should look at parliamentary practice in this assembly, that we can consult Speakers' rulings and parliamentary practice in other parliaments, and that those rulings and precedents can be applied, and I would certainly agree with that.

One cannot suggest that because another assembly has a rule, that that rule should be applied here, when the rule does not exist here. It's just not possible, and to say the least, it is a rather odd argument. In the House of Commons, there is indeed a rule that allows the Speaker the discretion to group amendments that are similar. I don't think I have to go any further than to say that rule does not exist in this House, and therefore it does not apply.

It is certainly true that according to Beauchesne, members of the committee could, by unanimous consent, agree to have amendments and votes grouped, and that we could indeed agree to do any number of amendments that are similar together. I don't think it's any surprise to the members of the assembly when I tell them categorically that our caucus does not give unanimous consent for that to happen here. So that is dealt with.

In Erskine May, on page 490, it states that during debate the "grouping of amendments for debate is designed to prevent repetition," and further, "The chairman may at his discretion allow separate divisions on one or more of the subsequent amendments" after the debate.

We all know we are under a time allocation motion that has been imposed by this government because they are determined to ram this through against the wishes of 76% of the population of Metropolitan Toronto, a time allocation motion that very specifically constrained debate in this committee, constrained it to one hour only. We are not dealing with a matter before us for debate. We are dealing with the divisions for votes. We are deciding the issue.

It is our contention that we must decide the issue on each individual amendment, because each of them deals with a different matter; a different group of people is involved.

I want to remind the members of the House that one of the amendments referred to by the member for Dufferin-Peel has indeed been passed by this committee. When he talks about 8,000 amendments, one of them has already been accepted by the majority in this committee and will be part of the law if this bill passes and is declared law: Cafon Court. It has been demonstrated already in this committee that the majority on the committee is not going to treat all the amendments in the same way. The majority on the committee has already decided that one of the amendments should pass and has indicated that they don't want the rest to pass by forcing division. We don't know that for sure. They've already passed one; it is conceivable that --

Mr Steve Gilchrist (Scarborough East): We didn't. We heard no --

Mr Wildman: Chair, I know that that's out of order, and surely the member would not be suggesting the Speaker did not rule correctly in this House.

Interjections.

The Chair: Order. The member for Algoma has the floor.

Mr Wildman: I regret that members would show such disrespect for the Speaker and his high office.

Interjections.

Mr Wildman: I won't respond, but I will say, Chair, that all of us in this House are bound by the rulings of the Speaker. It is our responsibility to accept those rulings because it is a rule in this House that the Speaker's rulings, unlike the Chair's rulings, cannot be challenged. Again I note that Erskine May is talking about grouping of amendments for debate. We are not involved in debate at this point. We are deciding the motion through divisions. I think it is indeed unfortunate that the government's drastic time allocation motion is not allowing debate on these issues, as we should be doing, but we are indeed not in debate.

I would also turn to the ruling of Speaker with regard to how we dealt with these amendments when they were being read into the record. The Speaker in dealing with the amendments to section 24(4), when he made his ruling, stated clearly, and I quote, that his ruling "should not be construed to be a precedent for the reading of amendments in the future. This does not mean that I'm finding these amendments to be frivolous or tendered in a spirit of mockery." The Speaker made no indication that in making that ruling he was waiving the full reading of amendments which is so stringently required in Beauchesne.

It is clearly beyond the authority of the Chair of this committee to, upon his own volition, exercise the authority to act in exceptional circumstances, as the Speaker did. That would be quite extraordinary. It would be quite extraordinary for the Chair of this committee to extend an abridgement of the rights of the members of this House to hearing amendments read upon division. I'm saying the amendments can be grouped, but only by unanimous consent, and that unanimous consent is not forthcoming.

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There is no rule here. With regard to the reading of the amendments, when the Speaker ruled he made it clear it was not a precedent and he also did not waive the reading of amendments for this proceeding. It is our contention that in order for amendments to be understood, members of the committee have the right, and indeed the responsibility if they don't understand what is before them, to request the amendment to be read so that they and others who are observing the proceedings and others who are participating in the proceedings will understand fully what the amendment is and its import before voting.

I call on you, Chair, to exercise your responsibility first to deal with amendments individually, and second to protect the rights of all members of the House to request amendments to be read if they are unsure of what is before them or in any way confused about the import or possible impact of the amendment if it is passed.

Ms Annamarie Castrilli (Downsview): I'll deal first with the government's submission on the motion to combine amendments and subsequently with dispensing the reading of the amendments. Let me say to you, Chair, that there's absolutely no authority for the propositions which the government has put before you. There is nothing in our standing orders, there's nothing in our traditions, there's nothing in the legislative precedents which would guide you to rule as the government would have you do.

Our standing orders are silent on the point. The only standing order that in fact exists is a ruling of the House of Commons that has no application whatsoever to our circumstances. There has never been a vote in the history of this Legislature that has in fact been on the basis that the government suggests. I will remind you that subsection 1(a) of our standing orders clearly says, "The proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of Ontario and in all committees of the assembly shall be conducted according to the following standing orders." I defy the members of the government to find one standing order that supports their proposition.

Section 1(b) goes on to say, "In all contingencies not provided for in the standing orders the question shall be decided by the Speaker or Chair, and in making the ruling the Speaker or Chair shall base the decision on the usages and precedents of the Legislature and parliamentary tradition." Again, the government has presented no evidence that there are any such precedents or any such parliamentary traditions.

In other words, in situations which aren't addressed by the standing orders, Chair, the decision falls upon you and your discretion must be guided by what I will cite to you are some of the rules for exercising such discretion. Firstly I would cite to you Beauchesne's citation 327:

"The Speaker or the Chairman of a committee of the whole ought not to consider the consequences of the adoption or rejection of a motion or an amendment, nor is it their concern whether ministers of the crown or private members are proceeding fast enough with their bills or motions. All the Speaker has to do is to see that the rules of procedure are observed."

I will recall to you that the Speaker himself cited the intent of that citation in one of his previous rulings. Therefore it's not up to you to decide whether time is a factor, whether speed is a factor, whether expeditiousness is a factor. That is up to the House to determine. Your concern is to ensure that the procedures of the House are followed.

I also submit to you that if you were to find that the government motion is in order, you would be breaching the parliamentary privileges of this House. Beauchesne's defines parliamentary privileges as the "sum of the peculiar rights enjoyed by each House collectively as a constituent part of the High Court of Parliament, and by members of each House individually, without which they could not discharge their functions and which exceed those possessed by other bodies or individuals."

The paragraph then goes on to say that such privileges "are enjoyed by individual members, because the House cannot perform its functions without unimpeded use of the services of its members; and by each House for the protection of its members and the vindication of its own authority and dignity." With respect to the privileges of the House as a whole, Beauchesne states, "The most fundamental privilege of the House as a whole is to establish rules of procedure for itself and to enforce them."

The standing orders again, I submit to you, are silent, and for you to adopt the position of the government would amount to creating a new order which this House has in fact not agreed to. The only way that the motion of the government could be acceded to is if there were unanimous consent of this House, and it would certainly be open to anyone to ask for unanimous consent of this House with respect to that.

Reference has been made to the standing order of the House of Commons rule 76(5). I'd like to just read it for the members so they know what we're talking about. It says, "The Speaker shall have the power to select or combine amendments or clauses to be proposed at the report stage...." It's very specific: "at the report stage." We are not at the report stage and the rule has no application to this House, but even if it did it would be inapplicable because it does not pertain to the conditions that we are in at the moment.

You should also be aware that it is not mandatory for the Speaker to combine amendments even under rule 76(5). The commentary to rule 76(5) of the House of Commons states that section 5 authorizes the Speaker to make decisions concerning whether motions can be considered by the House or not. Those that can may be grouped for debate when one vote will dispense with a grouping or a series of votes, depending on the Chair's decision, but in any event there is a facility for consultation with the members pursuant to the commentary. It is not an absolute and unfettered discretion on the part of the Chair to simply group amendments, even if that section were applicable, which we submit it is not.

There has been, as you know, one amendment which has indeed passed this House, so the contention that we would be able to vote on all of them at once and that we would get an identical vote is certainly not supported by the evidence before us. It falls again under the issue of privilege that members should have the opportunity to vote on each amendment and to be able to do it as they wish. There is absolutely no predetermination of votes nor should there be in this case. Members simply cannot be deprived of the opportunity to judge each amendment as a separate question and upon its own merits.

Further, Chair, I would remind you that the Speaker himself has pointed out repeatedly during this process that members have the right to know what they have voted on. In his ruling with respect to our Liberal amendments to section 29, he stated, "The principle that every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on must guide me in this circumstance." I would suggest to you that this is another of those circumstances by which you must be guided by the Speaker's own words.

As to the reading of the amendments and dispensing with them, I think I've already dealt with some of it under the category of privilege. It is simply a privilege of each member of this House to know what it is that they are voting on. Section 28(c) of the standing orders deals with division and it reads as follows, "When the members have been called in, the Speaker shall again put the question and every member present at that time, subject to standing order 12, shall record his or her vote." Section 1(a) of the standing orders, which I've read before, provides that, "The proceedings in the Legislative Assembly...shall be conducted according to the...standing orders." That is the one standing order that applies in this particular case.

It is not just a matter of practice and tradition; it is clearly set out in the standing orders that the question must be put again before division. It is not just a matter of long-standing parliamentary tradition; as I've said, it's a requirement. Therefore it isn't up to the Chair to decide how or whether to enforce this requirement. It's a provision of the rules governing this House and must be enforced by the Chair. The practice of requiring an amendment to be read gives all of the members of the House the opportunity to hear the proposed amendment, to consider it and to know what they are voting on. You have a right, you have a duty and a responsibility to preserve that right

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We acknowledge that the Speaker has already ruled that he has latitude to act in exceptional circumstances. We also know that the House is dealing with an exceptional circumstance: We are dealing with an extraordinary number of amendments. Yet we submit that in order to protect and preserve the privilege of members, as you are required to do under our traditions and under our standing orders, you must ensure that there is a reading before division.

In the case of our own amendments under section 29, not to read the amendments would indeed be a breach of those privileges. As you know, each amendment is quite different. It requires the insertion of three and sometimes four pieces of information, and to suggest that we would be able to simply vote on all of them as a package and dispense with the reading would certainly be a fundamental breach of our privileges.

Therefore, Chair, in conclusion, I submit to you that there is no authority for the propositions that the government has put before you; that in fact if you were to act in accordance with the government's motion, you would be breaching the fundamental privileges of this House, and that is certainly something that this House would be extremely diminished by.

Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-Woodbine): Mr Chair, my colleague for Algoma has already alluded to the non-applicability of rules from our other parliamentary Houses to the procedures in this Legislative Assembly and I will not go over that argument again. What I would like to do is deal specifically with the two rulings on this issue which have already been made during the course of this committee proceeding by the Speaker of this Legislative Assembly. I believe both rulings are germane and directly to the point that has been raised by the member for Dufferin-Peel.

The member argues first that individual amendments need not be read and second that groups of amendments could be put to the question at the same time. Obviously both issues are decided by the primary question of whether or not each individual amendment must be read.

I draw you to two rulings of the Speaker. I will not be long taking you through these. I think they're very direct and that the question raised by the member for Dufferin-Peel is essentially a challenge to the rulings of the Speaker. On Sunday last, the Speaker, when presented with a question of whether or not the New Democratic Party amendments to section 24 must each be read individually, ruled as follows: He began by reviewing the procedures and practices in this House and came to the conclusion that the practice was that the text must be read and that the fundamental parliamentary principle behind this procedure is that every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on. He reviewed specific precedents that were set before him in the arguments and found in review of those precedents that the Chair was absolutely correct in his ruling: Our practice and procedures require the amendments to be read.

He does speak to the issue of the Speaker having latitude to act in exceptional circumstances and finds that the House is in fact facing an exceptional circumstance, and as a result of that he proposes that with the balance of the New Democratic Party amendments to section 24 they be read in a way which expedites the process and just simply refers to street name.

He does that, however, in light of two specific recommendations to the House. The first is a strong recommendation to the House that it direct its energies in the future to develop proposals that will address our legislative process with a view to adding it to report stage procedures, which would go a long way to solving this kind of problem, a direction to the House to examine its own rules in the future. We believe, in fact, and have had indication that this will be a subject of future discussion in this Legislative Assembly.

The second I think is very critical to the Speaker's ruling. He says, "In closing, I implore the House leaders to begin the process of negotiating an agreement that will resolve this impasse for the benefit of the members, the employees, the citizens of this province and this great institution." It was my argument when a similar challenge arose on Tuesday to the individual reading of the Liberal amendments to section 29 that the Speaker himself made this exceptional ruling in order to create the context, create the atmosphere for negotiations of the parties to resolve the impasse, something that he could not step in and do himself, but that he attempted to create the atmosphere for that. Mr Chair, as you know, at this point in time, with the good efforts of all parties, unfortunately a resolve was not found.

On Tuesday when this issue was raised again, however, to the Speaker with respect to the Liberal amendments to section 29, he was asked to rule that a similar procedure could be followed, that we could simply refer to the cities and the street names in the case of those amendments. It was argued before Speaker Stockwell that he would be creating a precedent that goes beyond the rules of this House were he to repeat his ruling, which was of an exceptional nature, that ruling with respect to the amendments of section 24 by the New Democratic Party.

In his ruling on Tuesday he ruled, and I believe that this is the definitive and final statement on this issue:

"Let me begin by saying that I, as much as anyone here, would welcome a vehicle by which this process could be expedited. We are here in the midst of a procedural impasse of logarithmic proportions. We are faced with an impossible task" -- and I want to underscore this point in the Speaker's ruling, Mr Chair -- "We are faced with an impossible task but one which falls within the bounds of our procedures." Very clearly, he sets out: "But I want to be very clear to all members of this House. I cannot and will not, by virtue of my rulings on this issue in this very difficult circumstance, create a precedent that will impose a future solution that is more properly decided by this House."

Mr Chair, the ruling has been made twice by the Speaker of this Legislative Assembly. The member for Dufferin-Peel seeks to appeal that ruling. As you know, rulings of the Speaker are not appealable; therefore, I submit to you that you have no latitude except to rule the point of order not to be a point of order.

Hon David Johnson: Mr Chair --

The Chair: Do you have any new arguments to bring that we haven't hear so far?

Hon David Johnson: Mr Chair, I guess the main impetus behind this challenge was with regard to groupings. To the outside world this is Thursday, April 10, but we all know in here it's actually still Wednesday, April 2. Here we are some eight days later going and going and going.

Interjection.

Hon David Johnson: As the member behind says, it's sort of like the movie Groundhog Day: You wake up every morning and it's the same thing over and over and over again. One wonders if the end is ever in sight. What was that tune the actor heard every morning? I wake up every morning and hear that same tune.

Eight days, Mr Chair. When one looks at the latitude that is available in the House of Commons -- and, yes, it is a specific rule, but we do know that Chairs and Speakers have certain latitudes, have the ability to ensure that the proceedings are carried out in an expeditious way. We're asking, Mr Speaker and Mr Chair, in the spirit of the procedures that are in place in the federal government, that the same sort of approach be taken during these periods.

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The matter has arisen with regard to reading of the amendments -- in addition to grouping, the reading of the amendments. I'm not sure if you intend at this point to rule on both the reading of the amendments as well as the groupings.

The Chair: Yes.

Hon David Johnson: All right. Then perhaps more to the point, the Speaker's ruling, a ruling that I would say was applauded by all members in this House, all parties in this House --

Interjection.

Hon David Johnson: The House leader for the opposition party is, I think, agreeing that this was a good resolution, that only the street names should be read, particularly in the case of section 24.

Interjections.

The Chair: Order. The minister has the floor.

Hon David Johnson: In his ruling he said that on occasion, particularly when faced with extraordinary circumstances, Speakers may have to intervene in a way which seeks to enable the parliamentary process to accomplish the business at hand, and that's what we're seeking to do here this morning, through you, Mr Chair, simply to accomplish the business at hand.

The Speaker's ruling, I believe, in the case of simply reading the street names, very similar amendments, entirely similar amendments except for the street name, was in the spirit of allowing the Parliament to do the business at hand, at the same time allowing the members to understand. It's our contention that in fact that ruling is still in place, that this ruling as it pertains to section 24 was made during the course of the submissions of this committee of the whole. In fact, we remain in that committee of the whole and that ruling remains in effect, and we would ask that you uphold that ruling of the Speaker, particularly as it pertains to section 24, Mr Chair.

The Chair: The member for Downsview, do you have any new arguments that we haven't heard so far?

Ms Castrilli: I just wish to respond to the contention of the government House leader. The government House leader cited the Speaker's decision with respect to the NDP amendment to section 24(4). He conveniently left out the part that said, "This process will be applied to this series of amendments only and should not be construed to be a precedent for the reading of amendments in the future."

Even were that not the case, if you want to argue that it is a precedent, then I would look for the rest of the ruling as well, Mr House Leader. I'd say to you that you should look at the section where the Speaker says:

"The practice of requiring an amendment to be read provides all members present with the opportunity to hear the proposed amendment. The fundamental parliamentary principle behind this procedure is that every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on.

"Under a time allocation motion such as we are currently operating under, the procedure is altered somewhat. The first part of the process is eliminated by virtue of the terms of the motions which state the amendments are deemed to have been moved. This does not, however, mean that the amendment is also deemed to have been read from the chair." I'll skip the next part in the interests of time. "The Chair may only dispense with the reading of the amendment with unanimous consent, even in the face of a time allocation motion such as the one we are operating under."

I submit to you, Chair, that the government House leader can't have it both ways. He can't say, "Sorry, the ruling of the Speaker applies," even though the Speaker says it doesn't apply and then ignore the sections that support the principle of the long-standing practice of allowing members to know what they're voting on and reading the amendments.

The Chair: No arguments, no more debates. It is my decision that amendments can only be grouped by unanimous consent. As to the reading of amendments, it is my opinion that under the terms of the Speaker's ruling the amendments to section 24(4) need not be read.

Mr Wildman: I challenge that part of your ruling, Mr Chair.

The committee rose and requested a ruling of the Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon Chris Stockwell): Please be seated.

The Chair: Mr Speaker, my ruling as to the grouping of the amendments and the reading of the amendments has been challenged. We ask that you pass a ruling on the grouping of the amendments on section 24(4).

The Speaker: Who challenged it?

The Chair: Mr Wildman, the member for Algoma.

Mr Wildman: Just for clarity, Speaker, I would point out that the Chair ruled on two issues. I am in no way challenging the ruling on one. I understand the government has objections to that.

The Speaker: Actually, I was watching. I think I have a pretty good idea.

Ms Lankin: Do you want us to speak to both issues at the same time?

The Speaker: I would think it would save time if you spoke to both issues, yes.

Mr Wildman: The first issue was a request by the member for Dufferin-Peel that the amendments be grouped. In other words, that all 8,000 of the amendments that were put by our party with regard to consultations with residents of the municipalities in Metropolitan Toronto by street should be dealt with together. He cited a number of authorities I guess that he thought justified this request.

First he cited the rule in the House of Commons which allows the Speaker discretion to group similar amendments, and of course, the Chair did not rule in favour of that, because it's simple that the rule that applies in the House of Commons does not exist in this assembly. Our rules do not include such a rule, and therefore, it's an interesting note, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.

The Chair has ruled that amendments can be grouped by unanimous consent, and we agree that indeed if all members of the committee were to say that they were prepared to have any number of amendments grouped together and unanimously agreed to that, we could indeed do that. In this particular instance, such unanimous consent is not forthcoming, and I have indicated that our caucus will not agree to that, so unanimous consent does not apply.

There have been references to your rulings previously with regard to the reading of amendments, and it is that that I am challenging, the ruling of the Chair. The Chair is basically applying your ruling with regard to the reading of amendments dealing with the streets and extending it to this process, despite the fact that in making your ruling, you stated clearly that your ruling "should not be construed as a precedent for reading amendments in the future."

At the time you made your ruling, you cited exceptional circumstances, and it's true we are still in exceptional circumstances. This committee faces a very large number of amendments. But it is our view that there is a particularly interesting situation we find ourselves in now, since the member for Dufferin-Peel has been referring to all 8,000 of those amendments. One of those amendments passed the committee on a voice vote. The majority indicated that they are not about to treat all of these amendments similarly. At least in one case, the majority of the committee decided to accept the amendment, so it seems to me that it would be very odd and quite bizarre for us now to say that all of the amendments, including the one on Cafon Court, should be voted on together. The one on Cafon Court has not been referred for division, and since the others have been referred for division, how are we to know in advance that members of the committee intend to deal with them all in the same fashion, since they have not dealt with one of them in a fashion that indicates that they will all be rejected by the majority or will all be accepted by the majority? How are we to know?

I submit to you that we should not be grouping the amendments, that they should be dealt with individually so that the committee can deal with them on an individual basis and decide which residents, if any, should be consulted on regulations that may affect them in the future.

I also submit that in regard to the reading of the amendments, it is incumbent upon all of us in voting in this committee to know what we are voting on. It is important, particularly if we're dealing with the amendments individually, for us to recognize which ones we're voting on. Therefore, we should know what they are, and to say that by simply identifying the street name we would then know is insufficient. We are, after all, responsible in voting for knowing the impact and the import of the amendment if it passes, what effect it might have, and by simply reading the street name to identify the amendment, members who may not be familiar with the amendment or are confused will not have the opportunity to do what is their right, and that is to request that the amendment be read so that they know what exactly they're voting on. What does this consultation that is suggested entail? What kind of time frame will it take? How will it work as per the amendment that is before them?

I suggest that we should not abridge the rights of members. I would suggest it is not only a right of a member to request that an amendment be read so that she or he can know exactly what she or he is voting on, but it is indeed a responsibility, if they are not sure, for members to request it be read so they can be sure on what effect their vote might have on the amendment. So I suggest on the two issues, first, that we accept that groupings cannot occur except by unanimous consent, and second, that your previous ruling with regard to the reading of these amendments should not apply in this particular case, since it was not a precedent.

Mr Tilson: Mr Speaker, I will be speaking to the first point, the point that deals with the process applying to voting on stacked votes, and I might comment first of all with respect to the member for Algoma, who talked about the vote with respect to Cafon Court. That amendment, as he has indicated, has already passed, and I would submit to you that that specific amendment wouldn't be part of the group voting.

Mr Wildman: There may be another one.

The Speaker: Order.

Mr Tilson: That particular amendment wouldn't be part of the group voting that we would be asking you in your discretion to put forward, and it is that discretion that I'm asking you to direct your attention to.

We do find ourselves in an unprecedented situation. We have spent more than one week sitting 24 hours a day, reading amendments. Many of them have been very repetitive and specifically the ones with respect to section 24 and section 29, those dealing with streets and I guess historical streets would be the Liberal amendments with respect to section 29.

We are now about to begin another part of the process, which is formally voting on each of the amendments that have been put forward over the past week. In order to prepare for this process, we have been forced to stock the members' lobbies with supplies. Some members have even brought in sleeping bags. Members of their staff will be kept away, all of our staff, the clerks, the table, the security, this entire constituency, will be kept away from their families for another huge block of time. I have no idea what this length of time will be. It will certainly be an inordinate length of time. Members will be forced to camp out in their offices within minutes of this chamber, and the list is endless.

Standing order 1(b) states: "In all contingencies not provided for in the standing orders, the question shall be decided by the Speaker or Chair, and in making the ruling the Speaker or Chair shall base the decision on the usages and precedents of the Legislature and parliamentary tradition." So, Mr Speaker, I'm asking you to help expedite an already extraordinarily long process and provide a ruling that will enable the committee of the whole to complete this whole process in a timely and fair fashion.

On April 6, after five days of committee of the whole, you recognized that the House finds itself in an exceptional circumstance in dealing with an extraordinary number of amendments, and that ruling has been referred to during the presentation to the Chair of the committee of the whole. You made it clear on that occasion, and to use your words, "On occasion, in particular when faced with extraordinary circumstances, Speakers may have to intervene in a way which seeks to enable the parliamentary process to accomplish the business at hand." So on April 6, after five days of debate, you agreed to shorten the process in dealing with the NDP amendments to subsection 24(4) by requiring the Chair to read just the street name prior to putting the question on each amendment as opposed to reading the entire amendment.

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Mr Speaker, I believe groupings of divisions with respect to subsection 24(4) to be an effective way of, in your own words that you used in your ruling, "enabling the parliamentary process to accomplish the business at hand." The House of Commons standing order, section 76(5) states that the Speaker shall have the power to select or combine amendments or clauses to be proposed at the report stage and may, if he or she thinks fit, call upon any member who has given notice of an amendment to give such explanation of the subject of the amendment as may enable the Speaker to form a judgement upon it. I believe that it's reasonable, if not imperative, that you consider combining the NDP amendments of subsection 24(4) using as a guide the House of Commons standing order 76(5).

Beauchesne also cites standing order section 76(5) as a precedent for the Speaker to use as a reference when considering the grouping of amendments for the purposes of voting. Beauchesne states: "By practice, the Speaker will also decide whether the motions will be voted separately or in groups," and I would ask that you look at this authority when you're considering your ruling.

I would also ask that you pay particular attention to a ruling made by Speaker Fraser on April 14, 1987, in the House of Commons. He stated: "There comes a time when the Chair has to face its responsibilities. When circumstances change and the rules of procedure provide no solution, the Chair must fall back on its discretion and in the interests of the House and all its members." I think of all of my presentation to you, that is the section that I'd like you to consider the most.

After over 200 hours of consideration of amendments at committee of the whole, I ask you again to exercise the discretion that was afforded to the Speaker to protect the interests of the House, of the members, and more particularly, the integrity of the process, and facilitate the swift completion of this stage of the process.

Mr Speaker, I believe it's time for you to intervene again, as you did with respect to section 24. Grouping divisions on the NDP motions to section 24(4) as an example would limit committee of the whole voting to hours, as opposed to days or weeks. I submit that with all these types of groupings, you have the discretion to exercise, as you already have -- and it may be only for this particular occasion. Beauchesne talks about special orders on page 5: "A special order may have the effect for only a single occasion or such longer term as may be specified. It has become the custom in modern times to apply the term `special order' to all rules which have only temporary effect."

You made that clear with respect to your ruling on section 24(4), that for this special occasion -- and I would submit that these groupings which you have in the discretion and you could formulate different types of groupings with respect to section 24, the streets, or section 29 with respect to the heritage streets. It's your discretion to prepare those types of groupings. I would submit that you have this discretion to put forward assistance to the Chair of this committee, the committee of the whole, grouping divisions with respect to this bill.

Ms Castrilli: In the interests of time, I will speak to both the issue of grouping and the reading of the motion. Speaker, there are really two major issues here. One is what discretion you have in the absence of statutory precedents in our standing orders or legislative precedents. Second is the privileges of the members of this House. Those are the issues for you to consider.

Under those rubrics, I'll look at a number of issues. The first is that there is simply nothing in either the standing orders or in the authorities that would give you any explicit guidance in this particular situation and there are no precedents, as we have said. Our standing orders are silent. You are required by standing order 1(a) to conduct this House in accordance with the standing orders, but the standing orders are silent. Standing order 1(b), which the member for Dufferin-Peel has cited, specifically says that you must look at usages and precedents in the absence of standing orders, but as I've indicated, there are none. In other words, it comes down to a question of your discretion.

In this, I'd like to cite citation 327 of Beauchesne, which says that: "The Speaker or the Chairman of a committee of the whole ought not to consider the consequences of the adoption or rejection of a motion or an amendment, nor is it their concern whether ministers of the crown or private members are proceeding fast enough with their bills or motions. All the Speaker has to do is to see that the rules of procedure are" followed. That means that the member for Dufferin-Peel's contention that you should look at the time that it has taken and the time that it will take is totally irrelevant and not germane to the point in question.

I'd like to deal with the notion of parliamentary privilege. Beauchesne defines "parliamentary privilege" as "the sum of the peculiar rights enjoyed by each House collectively as a constituent part of the High Court of Parliament, and by members of each House individually, without which they could not discharge their functions and which exceed those possessed by other bodies or individuals." That paragraph then goes on to say that the privileges of Parliament, "are enjoyed by individual members, because the House cannot perform its functions without unimpeded use of the services of its members; and by each House for the protection of its members and the vindication of its own authority or dignity." Then Beauchesne states, and this is the part that I would underline: "The most fundamental privilege of the House as a whole is to establish rules of procedure for itself and to enforce them."

The standing orders should be seen as a manifestation of the members' privileges, and therefore may not be abrogated from without the unanimous consent of members of this House. The government today is arguing that this is precisely what you should do, that you should abrogate from the standing orders that this House has decided upon over many, many decades without going through the process of unanimous consent. I submit to you that you cannot do that. If you're going to change the procedures that are set out in the standing orders, it can only be done by unanimous consent.

The member for Dufferin-Peel refers to rule 76(5) of the standing orders of the House of Commons. That section states, "The Speaker shall have the power to select or combine amendments or clauses to be proposed at the report stage." Speaker, that section has no application, no relevance to our Legislature. It is a standing order of the House of Commons, with no application to ours. Our standing orders are silent. There is no requirement for you to import the standing orders of another Legislature into ours; in fact, there is no precedent for that.

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However, even if it does apply, I'd like to distinguish that rule on four grounds and make a couple of comments. The first distinction I would ask you to note is that the rule applies only to the report --

Interjections.

The Speaker: Order. We're trying to get the time right here. Continue.

Ms Castrilli: Thank you, Speaker. I thought we were in a time warp for a minute.

As I said, there are at least four grounds upon which you could distinguish that order of the House of Commons, even if it were applicable, which I submit it is not. The first is that the standing order applies only to a bill at the report stage. We are not at the report stage, and if in fact it for some reason the bill were sent to the committee of the whole, even at the House of Commons, rule 76(5) would not apply.

The second distinction I would point out to you is that it is not mandatory under the rule for the Speaker to combine amendments together under rule 76(5). The member for Dufferin-Peel did not cite to you the commentary under rule 76(5), which says: "Section (5) authorizes the Speaker to make decisions concerning whether motions can be considered by the House or not. Those that can may be grouped for debate where one vote will dispense with the grouping or a series of votes, depending on a Chair's decision." Therefore, it's discretionary; it's not mandatory, as the member for Dufferin-Peel would have you believe.

The third ground upon which you can distinguish 76(5) is that the same commentary goes on to say, "The Speaker may consult with members proposing the amendments." Again, a decision would leave it open to the Speaker to consult members. That is not our situation in this case. There is no requirement to consult, but in any event, even if it applied, you would probably exercise your discretion by consulting with the members, and I do not think you would get unanimous consent or a unanimous decision on behalf of the members.

The fourth ground upon which I would distinguish 76(5) is that it is used to group amendments for debate or voting. But the amendments must be interrelated and interdependent. That is, they cannot stand separately; they must depend one on the other. I suggest to you that each one of the amendments that we're talking about does stand on its own, does not depend on any other for its existence or its validity.

I'd also make a couple of points with respect to 76(5). The first is that particular standing order was the result of proceedings of a committee which was set by the federal government to study and report on parliamentary proceedings. It was not imposed on the House by the Speaker or by the government of the day. If you're going to make any changes to the standing orders, I would point out that even where 76(5) is in place, it was not done unilaterally by the Speaker, but followed a normal process of the House.

The final comment I would make to you is that each one of these amendments is independent, is separate, should be considered by the House and each member should give it their full attention, and 76(5) does nothing at all to change that contention even it were applicable.

I also, Speaker, would like to talk for a second about our Cafon Court amendment and the fact that we have one amendment that has passed. It is the only one that we have passed unanimously as a House. The member for Dufferin-Peel has argued that this amendment will be excluded, and that is an interesting point, but it does nothing at all for the issue at hand. What Cafon Court does prove, though, is that the votes of the House can be different on each question, and therefore each member must be allowed to express his or her view with respect to that. That, I submit to you, is not only a fact, but it is a matter of privilege, which really brings me to the next point.

Members of this House have a right to examine each of these questions individually; have a right to vote on each question individually. That is a privilege that we have. You, as Speaker, are required to uphold that privilege despite the assertions the member for Dufferin-Peel has made.

Finally, I would comment on rulings that have been made within these proceedings. As you know, because we've argued this case before in other forums, we have no precedents to guide us. But we do have some rulings and some of your own comments. I think while they may not always be precedents, they are germane to this. You have said on more than one occasion that every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on. That guided you in making a decision with respect to our Liberal amendments on section 29 and then again on the NDP amendments in section 24(4).

Earlier, the government House leader pointed out that your ruling with respect to section 24(4) was not a precedent. We've all concurred with that. It is clear that is what you meant. But I think in your ruling with respect to section 24(4) you also were very clear about the circumstances which we face. In particular, you were very clear about what happens even under a time allocation motion. I know you remember your own words, but I will enter them for the record in any event. You said:

"The practice of requiring an amendment to be read provides all members present with the opportunity to hear the proposed amendment.... The fundamental parliamentary principle behind this procedure is that every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on.

"Under a time allocation motion such as we are currently operating under, the procedure is altered somewhat. The first part of the process is eliminated by virtue of the terms of the motions which state the amendments are deemed to have been moved. This does not, however, mean that the amendment is also deemed to have been read from the chair.... The Chair may only dispense with the reading of the amendment with unanimous consent, even in the face of a time allocation motion such as the one we are operating under."

You went on to say, "I was struck by the principle behind the practice, that is, that every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on."

Speaker, I suggest that you made a good ruling. You have in every instance applied the law as it has been placed before you. I think your decision with respect to both grouping and reading should be consistent with some of the authorities that I've cited, although, as I've said, there is nothing that's particularly binding on you, but I think they're persuasive. I'd like to once again underscore that really this is about the privileges of the members of this House, which you must uphold. In the absence of specific statutory and legislative precedent, you must exercise your discretion with caution and in favour of maintaining the privileges of this House.

Ms Lankin: I believe the issue with respect to the applicability or non-applicability of the House of Commons rule with respect to grouping has been adequately explored by the member for Algoma and the member for Downsview. I want to speak specifically to the issue of whether or not the amendments must be read if requested by a member at this point in time. I want to primarily refer to your two rulings during this particular set of proceedings in committee of the whole but also to practice within this Legislative Assembly.

As you know, on Sunday when this question was put to you with respect to the New Democratic Party amendments to section 24, you reviewed the practice and procedures of this Legislative Assembly and found and ruled in fact that the Chair was absolutely correct in his ruling, our practice and procedures require the amendments to be read. You cited the fundamental parliamentary principle behind that being that every member has the right to know what they're voting on.

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You did go on to set out the ability of the Speaker to have latitude in exceptional instances and set out that you found the House to be in an exceptional circumstance and therefore ruled that the balance of the NDP amendments to section 24 would be read by referring to street name only. As I have argued to you on another occasion, in your reasons you set out the goals you were trying to accomplish; one was a strong recommendation to the House that in the future we deal with this issue through appropriate rule changes. I suspect that will happen in the future. In closing, you implored the House leaders to begin the process of negotiating an agreement to resolve the impasse.

On Tuesday, the same issue, of whether or not a series of amendments that were similar in nature must be read, was brought to you. At that point in time, in argument before you, I suggested that the exceptional circumstances in which you decided the Speaker could use latitude were ones in which you sought to create an atmosphere and a context to put pressure on all parties in this Legislative Assembly to find a solution to the impasse that we saw before us at that point in time.

I also argued to you that for you to rule again with a ruling of that nature would be to create a precedent that did not exist already within our rules or within our practice, and that it is entirely inappropriate for a Speaker to do that, and also that it would be to distort the balance and the atmosphere that you had sought to create in order to facilitate negotiations. Again, while at some point in time members of this assembly may from time to time wish the Speaker could solve all problems, you cannot. There are certain matters that are matters of differences between the parties of the Legislative Assembly, and if there is to be a resolve, they must find it themselves, and the Speaker cannot step in and do that for us.

In that ruling on Tuesday, I believe you were very clear on this subject. You said, "I want to be very clear to all members of this House: I cannot and will not by virtue of my rulings on this issue in this very difficult circumstance create precedent that will impose a future solution that is more properly decided by this House."

I believe this is important. You went on in your ruling to distinguish the Liberal amendment to section 29 from the NDP amendment to section 24 in its variable nature. I submit to you nothing turns on that differentiation, because you yourself in your ruling say, "In addition, even if I were to entertain the idea of making such rulings, it could not be done with respect to this particular issue." You make it very clear that you are not entertaining the idea of making such rulings. Your finding was that you "cannot and will not by virtue of...rulings on this issue in this very difficult circumstance create precedent that will impose a future solution that is more properly decided by this House."

The government seeks to have you create precedent at this point in time. For what reason? For speed? To expedite matters? That is not your job. The references in Beauchesne make it very clear: The Speaker cannot look to speed, cannot look to accomplish for the government on its House agenda what the government itself has been unable to do.

The member for Dufferin-Peel argues and makes arguments around the imposition on staff of the Legislative Assembly and on political staff and on members of the Legislative Assembly and the requirement that they would be here around the clock. I submit to you that if the members of this Legislative Assembly wanted to come to an agreement on another schedule for voting of eight hours a day, they could do that. We have already created an agreement governing the procedures of this vote, by unanimous consent, which differs from the normal practice, but it has been done by unanimous consent. That door is open to us. That should not be a reason that would compel you to create a precedent.

I say that democracy sometimes is messy, sometimes inconvenient, sometimes lengthy. But it is not for the Speaker of this Legislative Assembly to step in and create solutions that the members of the Legislative Assembly cannot arrive at themselves. It is not the Speaker's job to expedite government business. I believe these arguments I'm about to make, in a sense, are irrelevant to the decision before you, but I would put to you that there is nothing being held up at this point in time. Committees are meeting by mutual consent. Normally, committees would have been suspended. By all-party agreement committees continue to meet. There is not a House calendar for today that has House business before us that is being held up. The inconvenience is one of time. Sometimes democracy is inconvenient. But democracy must be upheld in this Legislature by the members of this Legislative Assembly, and the Speaker cannot rule on the basis of convenience to the government party.

I submit to you on the basis of practice in this Legislature that it would be improper for you to extend your earlier ruling of exceptional circumstances with respect to the amendments to section 24 to this part in the procedure. We are no longer at the point of one having deemed the amendments to be moved and now having to read them on to the record. We are now at the point of dealing with deferred votes. If you review the practice in this assembly, Mr Speaker, you will see that during deferred votes, during the taking of those votes, it is practice to make an adequate identification of the amendment before the Legislative Assembly and to proceed with the votes. It is also clear that it is practice that if at any time any member of this assembly asks that the motion be read in full, then it is read in full. It is different than the stage at which you ruled earlier, which is that they must be read into the agenda. It is now at a point where it must be identified for the purposes of voting, and if any member requests that it be read, it must be read.

I argue, I submit to you that you cannot extend the ruling from earlier to this, and for you to rule in a similar vein at this point in time with respect to a different part of the process that we are in in this committee of the whole would be to create a precedent, which you yourself have said -- and it can be no stronger said: "I cannot and will not by virtue of my rulings...create precedent that...impose a future solution that is more properly decided by this House."

I believe that this House will in fact find solutions to these issues. I believe that you will see changes to the rules come forward that will deal with a myriad of issues. But it is not for the Speaker at this point in time to impose those solutions.

Hon David Johnson: The member for Dufferin-Peel has spoken very well in terms of the issue of grouping, and I don't purport to get into that, and I thank him for his comments, if I'm able to do that.

The member for Beaches-Woodbine uses the word "inconvenient," uses the words "messy and time-consuming." There are other words that could be used, such as "stalling" and "delaying" and "wasting of time and taxpayers' dollars."

We have here the prospect, and I guess we have to consider it, of a very legitimate legislative process, one that has been in place for many, many years, the committee of the whole process, which has essentially, through this approach that has been taken, been rendered unworkable by the tactics employed, not only in terms of Bill 103 but apparently, according to reports of amendments being filed, Bill 104 as well.

Mr Speaker, in your ruling earlier on this same day, I guess, since we're still on Wednesday, April 2, you indicated that there is a fundamental parliamentary principle behind this procedure in that every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on. The fact is that we have now read, in the case of clause 24, some several thousand amendments in their completeness and stacked some 8,000 or thereabouts of these particular amendments. The members of this House have had the ability and have had the presence to be part of that process, every member of this House, to hear those several thousand being read, to witness those 8,000 being stacked. I would think a reasonable test would be, particularly in that case, that every member indeed has had the right and has exercised the right and certainly knows what he or she is voting for.

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In addition, Mr Speaker, it would be our contention that we would ask that you consider not only section 24, but consider an extension of your thinking, in terms of the thinking that went into your ruling on section 24, and bear in mind that in the case of the amendments dealing with the heritage streets, that we have now had the ability to hear some 2,000 of those amendments, not only being stacked, Mr Speaker, but being read word for word in every detail. So again, I would submit to you that the members of this House have had every opportunity to hear those amendments, to understand those amendments and I think a reasonable test would be that in fact they have exercised that opportunity, that they certainly would understand those amendments. Similarly with the dates: some 800 dates being read in their fullness, being stacked, and the members have had that opportunity to fully understand.

In your speaking you also referenced the committee of the whole procedure for the Social Contract Act of 1993, which reminded me, in looking at that process, Mr Speaker, that during the equivalent voting period that we are now embarking upon here today that in fact there was no reading of the amendments during this equivalent voting period during the Social Contract Act. I well recall at that point, Mr Speaker, being new in my career, coming from the municipal scene, that I was taken by the huge number of amendments during that social contract debate. I believe we had some 200 or thereabouts, and today we face 12,000 amendments. So it's interesting to see the parallel there.

Mr Speaker, you also have gone on to say: "I believe the modern definition of `Speaker' requires that decisions are taken which are also in the best interests of the institution of Parliament." Very wise advice, I must say. "On occasion, in particular when faced with extraordinary circumstances, Speakers may have to intervene in a way which seeks to enable the parliamentary process to accomplish the business at hand." I think those are key words and ones that I believe are supported by all members of this House, no matter what party they come from, that indeed we need to get on with the business at hand.

You went on to reference Speaker Sauvé. You went on to reference Speaker Warner, where Speaker Warner in 1991 indicated that the Speaker does have a latitude to act in exceptional instances. In your ruling, Mr Speaker, I believe, and I don't wish to put words in your mouth, but surely you would have taken into account the fact of 12,000 amendments; Social Contract Act, some 200 or thereabouts, deemed at that time to be an enormously large number of amendments. Here we are facing 12,000, surely exceptional instances.

Further, you indicated that it was an exceptional circumstance, that the committee of the whole was dealing with an extraordinary number of amendments, a substantial number being identically worded, with the exception in the case of section 24 of the street names.

You went on to recommend a process whereby the sheet minus the street would be made available to the members of the House and that the street name would be read. I would submit to you, Mr Speaker, that that was a wise decision. I would submit to you that that decision is still in force at this particular point. Perhaps you might even deem that no further ruling is required. I don't know. I leave that to your discretion. I would submit that this is still the same committee of the whole, the same process. The ruling still applies. You may wish to reconfirm. Certainly they are still the same circumstances.

Mr Speaker, you have indicated several other recommendations. I won't dwell on them. Suffice to say we have pursued those recommendations, or will pursue them, in terms of future changes to the rules, in terms of attempting to negotiate a process.

I would, in summation, Mr Speaker, indicate that it is certainly our belief that your ruling, in particular on section 24, should be reconfirmed. The same circumstances exist. I would ask you to consider extending that ruling, now that we have had the opportunity to hear all of the amendments being read with regard to the heritage streets. Consider allowing the Chair to simply read those streets or, if you wish, the street and the municipality. Mr Speaker, I would think you would have the latitude to do that.

Mr John Gerretsen (Kingston and The Islands): One of the points is the House leader talked about section 29, and I assume that we're dealing with all groupings here. Two or three points: Point number one is the fact that the Chair who happened to be in the chair at that time has already made a ruling on this matter, and that ruling was not challenged. It's a challenge made yesterday by the government House leader to the effect that all of the historic designations that were talked about in the 2,000 Liberal amendments should be dealt with at once. The Chair ruled that they should be dealt with on an individual basis and that ruling was not challenged, and I might say that's the only ruling that hasn't been challenged with respect to any of those major rulings that the Chairs have made.

If the House leader wants to talk about certain rulings still standing, I would submit to you that that ruling stands, that presumably, with the government not challenging that decision, they accepted the fact that there was something unique about these amendments and that they were not going to challenge that ruling and bring it to your attention.

Next, with respect to the section 29 amendments, I would submit -- and I totally accept the arguments with respect to the NDP amendments as well, but this goes even further than that. Surely to goodness a heritage designation is something very unique to a particular street, to a particular neighbourhood, depending upon age and character of the streets and neighbourhoods involved, and I would submit that we have 2,000 amendments of this nature that were all duly selected for their own individual particular reasons. It may very well be that some members of this House may feel that some of these streets are worthy of designation and others are not, but I'm simply saying to deal with them as a whole would be highly improper, Mr Speaker.

Finally, with respect to the standing orders as they pertain to the federal House, I think it's very interesting to note, if you read the notes with respect to standing order 76(6), that notice has to be given of the kind of amendment that is now requested of groupings. Quite clearly, subsection (5) of that standing order authorizes the Speaker to make decisions concerning whether motions can be considered by the House or not and whether they are to be selected or not. Those that may be grouped for debate, where one vote will dispense with the grouping in a series of votes, depend on the Chair's decision. In making such a decision, the Speaker may consult with the members proposing such amendments concerning the subject and purpose of the amendment.

I assume that no notice has been given by anyone with respect to the motion that has been put forward this morning by the member for Dufferin-Peel. As a matter of fact, the standing order itself talks about notice having to be given of an attempt to do this kind of thing so that the Speaker can then get all the amendments together and in effect negotiate a process whereby they may be grouped. That has not happened in this particular case. So on the basis of no notice having been given to the opposition with respect to this proposal this morning, and on the basis that each heritage street, as contained in the Liberal amendments, stands on its own footing, I would suggest to you with respect to those amendments that the voting be dealt with on a separate and an individual basis.

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Mr Tony Silipo (Dovercourt): Mr Speaker, I want to deal with the point we have challenged in the ruling, which applies to the issue of reading or not reading the amendments. To emphasize a couple of things, first of all, the reference the government House leader makes to the social contract legislation: It's important to note that at that time there was no request, when we got to the point of the recorded votes, there was never in any of the proceedings -- I have them in front of me -- a request by any member of the Legislative Assembly present for any of the amendments to be read. I suggest to you that if there had been, then they would have been read, but there was none from any of the members of the opposition or the government.

In fact there was also, it's interesting to note, the traditional and usual process followed which had a standing vote taken on each amendment, which of course, here, we have agreed to deal with otherwise by unanimous agreement, that, just to make the point, you can only deviate from the accepted practice by agreement or by direction of the House. That doesn't exist here and it would be I think stretching the rules, even as you have applied them with your ruling, to at this point in the process change the process from the traditional practice which allows members to ask for individual amendments to be read, for you to rule that they should not be read.

When you made the exceptional ruling that you did, we were in a particular part of the process, the first stage of the process, but we had gone through some 2,000 amendments of a similar nature at that point. I suggest to you that we are nowhere near that situation at this point. Certainly I can tell you that it is our intention to exercise the right that we have to have the amendments read, subject of course to whatever ruling you come to, but to do that in a way that respects the traditions of the House and respects the fact that we have gone through a number of hours of having the amendments read. I think it's important that that sense of balance also be kept and that you, in making your ruling, underline that in fact while this is still the committee of the whole process, this is a separate piece of the process and that the recording of votes is an all-important process.

For all that we know, Speaker, for all that I know and all that you know, as unlikely as it may seem, there may indeed be members of this assembly who were not here for any portions. It's true that there were people who were not here for all of the portions of the previous part of the committee of the whole, but there may indeed be members who were not here for any of it. I don't know for a fact whether that's true or not, but the important principle that, at this particular point of recording of the votes, that established practice of having the amendments read if requested -- and I underline that, Speaker: if requested -- I think is something that should not be done away with. It certainly should not be done away with on a request from the government at the beginning of this process and should only be considered, if ever, if a situation arises similar to the one that you found yourself in when in fact you made the extraordinary ruling that you did, and the ruling that you yourself said was not to create precedent.

The Speaker: I will not cut off anyone who wants to make a point of order -- I've heard a considerable amount of information -- but if you do, I would appreciate it if you'd be succinct and to the point. The Minister of Consumer and Commercial Relations.

Hon David H. Tsubouchi (Minister of Consumer and Commercial Relations): Mr Speaker, I will be very brief. I submit to you that, further to the House leader's comments, we are still in the same process. If we are not in the same process, it would certainly lead to certain questions which the Speaker must decide, such as, is there a time limitation with respect to a Speaker's ruling within the same process? If there is such a time limitation, upon which basis do you divide a process up? How do you do this?

I guess my only point I want to make here is that no precedent would be created in this particular instance, because we are still in the same process, Mr Speaker, and with due respect, I suggest that your original ruling is still applicable and still in effect.

Mr Bradley: Mr Speaker, be quite straightforward on this and deal in a very practical sense with the matters before us. First of all, I think it is very clear that there is no rule of this House which permits a Speaker under rules of this House to be able to group amendments. I've looked in the rules of procedure and I have not found that. If we're going to base it on a rule of this House, that rule does not exist; it exists only in the House of Commons, I think it's 76(5), in the House of Commons. While the Speaker of the House of Commons then may rule that amendments may be grouped for voting purposes, such a procedure would require the approval of all members of the House who are in attendance in this particular House, and that approval has not been forthcoming to this point in time. So except by unanimous consent, amendments must be placed, in the view of the opposition, individually.

One cannot prejudge how individual members are going to be voting on individual amendments. One may have a guess as to how that might be, and that seems to be the point that the government is making, they have what they would call a good guess, but one cannot prejudge that and therefore it would our contention that grouping would be inappropriate.

A voice vote also cannot conclusively determine how all members of the House are going to vote. When we're in voice vote stage, one cannot really tell where the nays and yeas are coming from. One can guess, one can have a good guess at that, but one cannot conclusively determine that.

Dealing with the matter of reading each amendment in its entirety again, it is essential and necessary that members hear the entire amendment that is placed, if there is a request to do so by any members of this House. It has been appropriately pointed out, that doesn't necessarily automatically happen. In the voting procedure which we are about to enter, for instance, one may believe that on every occasion it is going to be requested that the amendment be read in its entirety. That is prejudging a circumstance that may or may not arise in the future.

It is the interpretation of the opposition members that your ruling permitting the reading of the abbreviated form of the NDP amendments by referring only to the street name applied only to those amendments from the point beyond your ruling and to the completion of that during the voice vote stage of the committee of the whole. We have now reached a new stage. The Minister of Consumer and Commercial Relations made reference to this. In my view, we have reached a new stage as we come to the actual individual voting, the standing vote, as we used to refer to it.

On that basis, I would say that the government contentions on both of these issues should in fact be rejected.

The Speaker: I appreciate the input from all members. I'm going to take a 30-minute recess to consider their arguments.

Also, according to the rules, we have to close and lock the lobby doors during this period. Unless I hear a dissenting voice, considering that the numbers have been logged, as I understand, I'll agree to open the lobby doors during the recess period.

Mr Wildman: Could I ask for clarification on that? It's my understanding that if the lobby doors are open and people can have egress, it's understood they are coming back in order to maintain the numbers.

Ms Lankin: You just mean these doors.

The Speaker: I just mean these doors. I should have been a little clearer. Just these doors; that gets you into the lobby and access to those phones.

It will be a 30-minute recess.

The House recessed from 0949 to 1033.

The Speaker: I'd like to thank the various members for their submissions. Let me deal first with the issue of grouping of the amendments. The situation before me is as follows: The committee of the whole House has been giving clause-by-clause consideration to Bill 103 pursuant to the time allocation order. The votes on the clauses and amendments have been stacked pursuant to that order, and the committee is set to proceed with the actual vote. The Chair of the committee of the whole House decided that he could not group the amendments for voting purposes without unanimous consent. The voting process would be shortened considerably if the Chair decided to group the amendments or if the committee could somehow agree to group the amendments.

Since there is no unanimous consent to group the amendments, the issue before me is whether the Chair has the authority or jurisdiction to group amendments to Bill 103 for voting purposes in the absence of unanimous consent.

In jurisdictions like the House of Commons at Westminster, the Canadian House of Commons and Quebec's National Assembly, the Speaker or Chair, as the case may be, has the authority to select amendments that will be considered and to, in effect, determine which amendments are voted on. However, that authority is spelled out in the standing orders of those jurisdictions. There is no such authority in the standing orders of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario, and so the practice in those jurisdictions that do have such rules cannot, as I indicated in a ruling earlier in the sessional day, bear on how I rule on this issue.

This does not put an end to the matter. The rules -- our standing orders -- form only one source of procedure that is followed in this assembly. The practice of this House and its committees has long been an important source of parliamentary procedure, and so I have reviewed our practice to determine whether the Chair has the authority to group amendments for voting purposes in circumstances where there is no unanimous consent.

In this regard, I refer members to a situation that faced the First Deputy Chair of the committee of the whole House in the 35th Parliament. On that occasion, Bill 91, An Act respecting Labour Relations in the Agricultural Industry, was being given clause-by-clause consideration. It should be noted that the bill was under time allocation and that the time allocation order was worded like the time allocation order for Bill 103. At about the same point in time on that bill as the committee of the whole House is now on Bill 103, the government House leader of the day stood in his place and addressed the following remarks to the Chair:

"We're at a stage where all the amendments that have been moved are deemed to have been divided on and stacked for a vote, and we've had one section of the bill divided on and stacked for a vote. In the amendments, there are two packages. There is a package of government amendments and a package of amendments by the Conservative Party.

"I would seek the consent of the House to deal with those amendments in three packages: that we deal with the section which has been divided on as one item, that we deal with the government package of amendments as a second item, and that we deal with the Conservative package of amendments as a third item."

Immediately after the government House leader of the day made these remarks, the Chair asked whether there was agreement to the proposition put forward by the government House leader. The member for Mississauga South indicated there was no agreement, and so the Chair had to proceed with the usual committee of the whole voting process on the bill. I note that on many of the subsequent votes on the individual amendments, there were no divisions; instead, the House agreed to the "same vote" as the vote on the proceeding amendment. However, on other amendments, divisions were taken at the insistence of the member for Mississauga South, the member for Wellington and the member for Grey-Owen Sound. Still later in the committee of the whole voting process on that bill, the Chair found that there was unanimous consent for the original proposal of the government House leader, and the bill was eventually reported to the House later that same day. The events of the day can be found at pages 7339 to 7354 of Hansard.

I find that the voting process on that day is reflective of our practice on how votes are to be conducted in the committee of the whole. Since the early 1970s, Speakers Lamoureux, Sauvé and Fraser in the House of Commons and Speaker Warner in this House, when faced with requests from one side of the House or the other to effect drastic measures to resolve impasses arrived at in the House, have said that situations might arise in the future where Speakers would have to step in to impose a solution when negotiations between the parties have not been successful and the House has been effectively obstructed in its progress.

In my opinion, the situation facing us does not constitute one where I would be forced to impose a solution. If this House wants to effect a new procedure, it should, and it should do so in the usual manner. We are in a process where we are moving at a painfully slow pace but we are proceeding.

With respect to the ruling of Speaker Fraser in 1987, I want to say this: Speaker Fraser went only so far as to allow the government to move a motion of a kind that up to that point had never been moved. In that case, Speaker Fraser was not imposing a new or imported rule on the House. He was simply finding that there was nothing in their rules which would disallow such a motion. I repeat: He was not imposing a procedure that did not exist.

I am upholding the ruling of the Chair that unanimous consent is required for the Chair to group the amendments for voting purposes.

Let me now turn to the issue of the reading of the amendments. The member for Algoma (Mr Wildman) has appealed the ruling of the Chair of the committee of the whole House that for the purpose of the actual voting on the so-called street amendments, the Chair will read not the entire amendment but only the name of the street associated with each amendment.

Let me begin this branch of my ruling by saying that members will recall that earlier this sessional day I had ruled that, with respect to the lead-up to the voting process on the street amendments, it was sufficient that the Chair read the names of the streets identified in each amendment as opposed to the entire amendment.

Members will also recall that, later in that sessional day, I ruled that the so-called heritage amendments had to be read in their entirety, and that the circumstances associated with those amendments were different than the circumstances associated with the earlier street amendments.

In the situation I am now being asked to rule on, the committee of the whole House is about to enter into the voting process proper; that is, members are now going to vote on each of the stacked votes.

I must say that I am still of the view that my ruling with respect to the street amendments cannot constitute a precedent in the disposition of this appeal. However, that ruling was intended to cover the committee of the whole stage consideration of these amendments.

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The principles referred to in that ruling are intact. I am referring to the related principles that members are entitled to know what they are voting on, and that it is important to prevent errors in the voting process. I am of the view that it must surely be the case that, by now, members are familiar enough with the street amendments that they know what they are voting on, and that errors can be prevented. Therefore, I am ruling that, with respect to the street amendments, the Chair can simply read the street names.

I want to emphasize, however, that while the reasoning and the end result of this ruling and of my previous ruling on the street amendments may be similar, this ruling is not based on nor is it strengthened by the existence of that earlier ruling. I want to reiterate the point that I would have come to the same view on the current appeal if I would have ruled differently or not ruled at all on that earlier occasion. That earlier ruling should not be construed as a precedent, and the same goes for the ruling today.

In short, I am upholding the ruling of the Chair of the committee of the House that only the street names have to be read for all of the 8,000 or so street amendments.

Finally, as Speaker I must strike a very delicate balance. I understand in situations such as this that emotions run very high and tempers become short. I believe that over the past eight days I have rendered fair and impartial decisions, cognizant of the length of time and the onerous demands placed on all of us. But the fundamental underlying foundation of my decisions must be true to parliamentary democratic traditions because these decisions affect not only us, but the decisions taken by the Speaker also affect parliamentary institutions for generations to come.

I appreciate your attentiveness, and I have ruled.

House in committee of the whole.

The Chair: Government motion, section 1, definition of "local board."

Mr Wildman: Mr Chair, I request that the amendment be read.

The Chair: "I move that clause (a) and (b) of the definition of `local board' in section 1 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`(a) a neighbourhood committee or community council established under section 5 or 5.1;

"`(b) the financial advisory board established under section 9 or the transition team established under section 16.'"

All those in favour say "say." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The Chair: I declare the motion carried.

Government motion, section 1, definition of "transitional year."

Mr Wildman: Chair, I request that the amendment be read.

The Chair: "I move that the definition of `transitional year' in section 1 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`transitional period' means the period beginning on the day this act receives royal assent and ending on December 31, 1997."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The Chair: I declare the motion carried.

Liberal motion, section 1, definition of "transitional year":

"I move that section 1 of the bill be amended by striking out the definition of `transitional year' and substituting the following:

"`transitional period' means the period beginning on the day this act receives royal assent and ending on December 31, 2000."

All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Shall section 1, as amended, carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The Chair: Section 1 is carried, as amended.

The First Deputy Chair (Ms Marilyn Churley): Liberal motion, sections 1.1 to 1.3. Those in favour?

Ms Lankin: Read it, please.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that part I of the bill be amended by adding the following sections:

"`Municipal referenda or plebiscites binding

"`1.1(1) The government of Ontario acknowledges that it is bound by the results of the municipal referenda or plebiscites conducted in the urban area on March 3, 1997.

"`Same

"`(2) If a majority of voters answer the question posed in the referenda or plebiscites referred to in subsection (1) in the negative, this act shall be deemed to be repealed on the day it receives royal assent.

"`Timing

"`1.2 The government of Ontario acknowledges that the creation of the new city shall not be driven by external deadlines such as the regular municipal elections of 1997, but shall be carried out responsibly and properly, following careful analysis, and in accordance with the expressed wishes of the people and the advice of local elected officials.

"`No tax increase

"`1.3(1) Municipal property taxes in the old municipalities and in the new city shall not be increased as a result of the implementation of this act or as a result of any other provincial restructuring of the delivery or funding of services.

"`Services

"`(2) Municipal facilities and services in the old municipalities and in the new city shall not be reduced in order to comply with subsection (1).

"`Costs of implementation

"`Any increase in municipal expenditures in the old municipalities or in the new city that results from the implementation of this act or from any other provincial restructuring of the delivery or funding of services shall be funded by the government of Ontario.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: Motion lost.

Liberal motion, subsection 2(1).

Mr Wildman: Read it.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that subsection 2(1) of the bill be amended by striking out `January 1, 1998' in the first line and substituting `January 1, 2001.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: Motion lost.

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Liberal motion, clause 2(5)(b).

Mr Wildman: Read the motion.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that clause 2(5)(b) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`(b) all the assets and liabilities that the old municipalities had on December 31, 2000 are vested in and become assets and liabilities of the new city on January 1, 1998, without compensation.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: Motion lost.

Liberal motion, subsection 2(5.1).

Mr Wildman: Read it, please.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that section 2 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Reserves and reserve funds

"`(5.1) The new city holds any reserve or reserve funds acquired from an old municipality under clause (5)(b) in trust for the residents of the geographic area of jurisdiction of that old municipality and shall deal with them only for the benefit of those residents.'"

All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, subsection 2(9).

Mr Wildman: Read it, please.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that section 2 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Local boards

"`(9) Every local board of an old municipality that is in existence immediately before the coming into force of section 27,

"`(a) shall be deemed to be a local board of the new city; and

"`(b) is continued, in respect of the part of the urban area over which it had jurisdiction immediately before the coming into force of section 27, until the council passes a bylaw to provide otherwise.'"

All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, subsection 2(10).

Mr Wildman: Read it, please.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that section 2 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Official plans

"`(10) Every official plan of an old municipality that is force immediately before the coming into force of section 27,

"`(a) shall be deemed to be an official plan of the new city; and

"`(b) remains in force, in respect of the part of the urban area to which it applied immediately before the coming into force of section 27, until it is amended or replaced in accordance with the Planning Act.'"

All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Shall section 2 carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The section is carried.

Government motion, subsection 3(1).

Mr Wildman: Read it, please.

The First Deputy Chair: "3(1) I move that subsection 3(1) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Composition of council

"`3(1) The council of the new city is composed of,

"`(a) the mayor, elected by general vote; and

"`(b) 56 other members, two of whom shall be elected for each ward.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

Liberal motion, clause 3(1)(b).

Mr Wildman: Read it, please.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that clause 3(1)(b) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`(b) one member elected for each of the wards established under section 4.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, subsection 3(1.1).

Mr Bradley: Read it, please.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that section 3 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Election campaign spending limit, mayor

"`(1.1) For the purposes of subsection 76(4) the Municipal Elections Act, 1996, the maximum amount of election campaign expenses that a candidate for the office of mayor may incur is fixed at $200,000, and the prescribed formula referred to in that subsection does not apply.'"

All those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Liberal motion, subsection 3(2):

"I move that subsection 3(2) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Transition, first council

"`(2) The following special rules apply to the members of the council elected in the 2000 regular election:

"`1. Despite section 6 of the Municipal Elections Act, 1996, the members' terms of office begin on January 1, 2001.

"`2. Despite subsection 49(1) of the Municipal Act, the first meeting of the council shall be held on January 2, 2001.'"

All those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Government motion, subsection 3(2), paragraph 1:

"I move that paragraph 1 of subsection 3(2) of the bill be amended by striking out `section 10 of the Municipal Elections Act' and substituting `section 6 of the Municipal Elections Act, 1996.'"

All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

Shall section 3, as amended, carry? Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 3, as amended, is carried.

Government motion, section 3.1:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Executive committee

"`3.1(1) There shall be an executive committee of council consisting of the mayor and the chairs of the six community councils.

"`Dissolution or change

"`(2) The council may, by bylaw, dissolve the executive committee or change its composition.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

Government motion, subsection 4(1) and (2):

"I move that subsections 4(1) and (2) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Wards

"`(1) The urban area is divided into 28 wards as described in the schedule.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

Mr Wildman: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I'm designating the member for Dovercourt to give the "ayes" and "nays" to the votes.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you.

Liberal motion, subsections 4(1) and (2):

"I move that subsections 4(1) and (2) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Division into wards

"`(1) The Ontario Municipal Board shall, by order, divide the urban area into an even number of wards.

"`Public consultation

"`(2) Before establishing the number and boundaries of the wards, the Ontario Municipal Board shall hold public consultations.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Shall section 4, as amended, carry? Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

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The First Deputy Chair: Section 4, as amended, is carried.

NDP motion: government motion, sections 5, 5.1 and 5.2; subsections 5.2(1), (1.1) and (1.2):

"I move that the government motion to strike out section 5 of the bill and substitute sections 5, 5.1 and 5.2 be amended by striking out subsection 5.2(1) and substituting the following:

"`Planning functions

"`(1) The city council may, by bylaw, assign to the community councils any of the following functions with respect to the parts of the urban area that they represent:

"`1. Functions in connection with planning matters that would otherwise belong to the city council, including the passing of zoning bylaws.

"`2. Functions in connection with planning matters that the Planning Act allows the city council to delegate to a committee of council, an appointed committee or an appointed official.

"`3. The functions of a committee of adjustment under the Planning Act.

"`Conflict

"`(1.1) A bylaw passed under subsection (1) applies despite the Municipal Act, the Planning Act or any other act.

"`Other functions

"`(1.2) The city council may, by bylaw, assign to the community councils any of the following functions with respect to the parts of the urban area that they represent:

"`1. Functions in connection with licensing.

"`2. Functions in connection with local roads.

"`3 Functions in connection with waste disposal and recycling.

"`Functions in connection with arts funding.

"`5. Functions in connection with animal control.'"

All those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion: government motion, sections 5, 5.1 and 5.2; subsection 5(3) --

Mr Gilchrist: On a point of order, Madam Chair: Did you say both NDP and government?

The First Deputy Chair: If I did, I apologize. I read more directly from the motion, which says, "Government motion, sections 5, 5.1..." which are being amended. That was a mistake. I should just say sections 5, 5.1, 5.2; subsection 5(3). It is an NDP motion. It's the writing on here that I was reading from.

"I move that the government motion to strike out section 5 of the bill and substitute sections 5, 5.1 and 5.2 be amended by adding the following subsections to section 5:

"`Public consultation

"`(3) Despite subsection (1), no bylaw shall be passed unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The clerk has given notice of the proposed bylaw, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of the part of the urban area to be represented by the neighbourhood council.

"`2. The council has considered all written submissions made by those residents and received by the clerk within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more of those residents requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the council has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The clerk shall give three weeks notice of a public hearing in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed bylaw,

"`ii. tell residents where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise residents of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise residents where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

All those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, sections 5, 5.1 and 5.2; subsections 5.1(5) and (6):

"I move that the government motion to strike out section 5 of the bill and substitute sections 5, 5.1 and 5.2 be amended by striking out subsections 5.1(5) and (6) and substituting the following:

"`Changes

"`(5) The city council may, by bylaw,

"`(a) change the composition of a community council;

"`(b) dissolve a community council and establish a new one.

"` Same

"`(6) The following rules apply to the bylaw:

"`1. Every part of the urban area shall be represented by a community council.

"`2. No ward shall be represented partly by one and partly by another community council.

"`3. Only members of the city council shall be members of a community council.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, sections 5, 5.1 and 5.2; subsection 5.2(7):

"I move that the government motion to strike out section 5 of the bill and substitute sections 5, 5.1 and 5.2 be amended by striking out subsection 5.2(7)."

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Government motion, sections 5, 5.1 and 5.2:

"I move that section 5 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Neighbourhood committees

"`5(1) The city council may, by bylaw, establish neighbourhood committees and determine their functions.

"`Number

"`(2) The number of neighbourhood committees shall be fixed in the bylaw.

"`Establishment of community councils

"`5.1(1) There shall be six community councils, one for each part of the urban area that was an area municipality under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act.

"`Composition

"`(2) Each community council is composed of the members of the city council elected for each ward in the part of the urban area represented by the community council.

"`Chair

"`(3) The members of each community council shall elect a chair from among themselves; in the event of a tie, the chair shall be chosen by lot.

"`Committee of council

"`(4) Each community council is a committee of the city council for all purposes.

"`Dissolution or change

"`(5) The city council may, by bylaw,

"`(a) dissolve a community council or change its composition;

"`(b) establish a new community council for any part of the urban area.

"`(6) The following rules apply to the bylaw:

"`1. The bylaw may dissolve all the community councils without establishing new ones.

"`2. If the bylaw establishes new community councils, every urban area shall be represented by a community council.

"`3. No ward shall be represented partly by one and partly by another community council.

"`4. Only members of the city council may be members of a community council.

"`Local planning and committee of adjustment functions

"`5.2(1) The city council may, by bylaw, assign to the community council any of the following functions with respect to the parts of the urban area that they represent:

"`1. Functions in connection with local planning matters that the Planning Act allows the council to delegate to a committee of council, an appointed committee or an appointed official.

"`2. The functions of a committee of adjustment under the Planning Act.

"`Recreational facilities

"`(2) The city council may, by bylaw, assign to a community council the management on behalf of the new city of one or more recreational facilities (such as arenas, community centres and parks) located in the part of the urban area that the community council represents.

"`Spending limits

"`(3) In managing a recreational facility, a community council shall not incur expenses that exceed the amount allocated by the city council.

"`Additional functions

"`(4) The city council may, by bylaw, assign to the community councils, with respect to the parts of the urban area that they represent, a function that is prescribed under subclause 24(1)(e)(i).

"`Conditions

"`(5) A bylaw passed under subsection (4) may impose conditions on the exercise of the function by the community councils.

"`Effect of assignment

"`(6) When a bylaw passed under subsection (4) is in force, the city council is obliged to pass any bylaw recommended to it by the community council if the following conditions are met:

"`1. The recommended bylaw relates to the function that has been assigned to the community councils by the bylaw passed under subsection (4).

"`2. The city council has allocated to the community council sufficient funds for any expenditure arising from the recommended bylaw.

"`Revocation of assignment

"`(7) The city council has power to revoke an assignment of functions by passing a bylaw amending or revoking a bylaw passed under subsection (1), (2) or (4).'"

Those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

Shall section 5, as amended, carry? Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 5, as amended, is carried.

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Government motion, subsection 6(2). Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The motion is carried.

Liberal motion, subsection 6(4).

Mr Mike Colle (Oakwood): Please read it.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that subsection 6(4) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Transfer of certain assets and liabilities

"`(4) All the assets and liabilities relating to the distribution and supply of electrical power that were controlled and managed by the old municipality on December 31, 2000 are vested in and become assets and liabilities of the new city, under the control and management of the commission, on January 1, 2001, without compensation.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Shall section 6, as amended, carry? Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 6, as amended, is carried.

Section 7 of the bill: All in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 7, as amended, is carried.

NDP motion, section 7.1.

Mr Silipo: Please read it.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Toronto Transit Commission

"`Commission continued

"`7.1 The Toronto Transit Commission is continued under the name of "Toronto Transit Commission" in English and `"Commission de transport de Toronto" in French and is responsible for public transit in the urban area.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Liberal motion, section 8.

Mr Colle: Please read it.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that section 8 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Employees of old municipalities and local boards

"`8 A person who is an employee of the old municipality or of a local board of an old municipality on December 31, 2000 and would, but for this act, still be an employee of the municipality or local board on January 1, 2001 is an employee of the new city or one of its local boards on January 1, 2001.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Government motion, section 8.

Mr Silipo: Please read it.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that section 8 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Employment continuous

"`(2) A person's employment with an old municipality or local board shall be deemed not to have been terminated for any purpose by anything in subsection (1).'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

NDP motion, subsection 8(3).

Mr Silipo: Please read it.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that section 8 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Minimum notice period

"`(3) After section 27 comes into force, an employee referred to in subsection (1) is entitled to six months notice of termination or to the period of notice of termination provided by the applicable employment contract or collective agreement, whichever is greater.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Shall section 8, as amended, carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50, the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 8, as amended, is carried.

Government motion, section 8.1. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The motion is carried.

NDP motion, section 8.2.

Mr Silipo: Please read it.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Reserves and reserve funds

"`8.2 The reserves and reserve funds of each old municipality shall be spent only for the benefit of residents of the relevant part of the urban area.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, section 8.3

Mr Silipo: Please read it.

The First Deputy Chair: "I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Transition funds

"`8.3 The amount of reserves and reserve funds of old municipalities that pass to the new city under section 2 shall not be taken into consideration in determining eligibility for transition funds from the province.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Liberal motion, section 9. I'll read it.

"I move that section 9 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Board of advisers

"`9(1) There shall be a board of advisers consisting of one or more members appointed by the Lieutenant Governor in Council.

"`Duties

"`(2) The board of advisers shall,

"`(a) observe the affairs of the old municipalities during the transitional period;

"`(b) report to the Minister at his or her request;

"`(c) cooperate with the transition team.

"`Primacy of local elected officials

"`(3) The board of advisers has no power to override local decision making or interfere with the activities of local elected officials.

"`No retroactivity

"`(4) The board of advisers has no power to act before this section comes into force.

"`Dissolution

"`(5) The board of advisers is dissolved on January 31, 2001.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, section 9; clauses 9(4)(b) and (e):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 9 of the bill be amended by striking out clauses 9(4)(b) and (e)."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, section 9; clause 9(7)(b):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 9 of the bill be amended by striking out clause (7)(b)."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, section 9; subsection 9(7.1):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 9 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Same

"`(7.1) Subsection (7) does not entitle the members, employees and agents of the board of trustees to a higher level of cooperation or compliance than members of the public are entitled to receive.'"

All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, section 9; subclause 9(8)(a)(i):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 9 of the bill be amended by striking out subclause 9(8)(a)(i) and substituting the following:

"`(i) furnish information, records or documents that are in its possession and would normally be available to members of the public.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

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NDP motion, section 9; subclause 9(8)(a)(ii):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 9 of the bill be amended by striking out subclause 9(8)(a)(ii)."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant : The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, section 9; subclause 9(8)(a)(iii):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 9 of the bill be amended by striking out subclause 9(8)(a)(iii) and substituting the following:

"`(iii) update earlier information furnished under this subsection.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, section 9; subsection 9(8):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 9 of the bill be amended by striking out subsection (8)."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, section 9; subsection 9(10):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 9 of the bill be amended by striking out subsection (10)."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Government motion, section 9:

"I move that section 9 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`FINANCIAL ADVISORY BOARD

"`Financial advisory board

"`9(1) There shall be a financial advisory board consisting of one or more members appointed by the Lieutenant Governor in Council; the Lieutenant Governor in Council may designate one of the members as chair.

"`Body corporate

"`(2) The financial advisory board is a body corporate.

"` Remuneration and expenses

"`(3) The members of the financial advisory board shall be paid the remuneration fixed by the Lieutenant Governor in Council and the reasonable expenses incurred in the course of their duties under this act.

"`Duties

"`(4) The financial advisory board shall,

"`(a) consider 1997 operating and capital budgets under section 11;

"`(b) consider requests for approval under section 10 and grant them when the board considers it appropriate;

"`(c) report to the minister at his or her request;

"`(d) cooperate with the transition team;

"`(e) carry out any other prescribed duties.

"`Guidelines

"`(5) The financial advisory board,

"`(a) shall establish and publish guidelines with respect to,

"`(i) payments and agreements to make payments in connection with the ending of an employment relationship, as referred to in paragraph 5 of subsection 10(2), and

"`(ii) appointments, hiring and promotion, as referred to in paragraph 6 of that subsection; and

"`(b) may establish and publish guidelines with respect to matters referred to in paragraphs 1 to 4 of subsection 10(2).

"`Same

"`(6) The guidelines do not apply to the new city or to its local boards.

"`Cooperation, access to information

"`(7) The members of each old council, the employees and agents of the old municipality and the members, employees and agents of each local board of an old municipality shall,

"`(a) cooperate with the members, employees and agents of the financial advisory board, assist them in the performance of their duties and comply with their requests under this act;

"`(b) on request, allow any person described in clause (a) to examine and copy any document, record or other information in the possession of the old municipality or local board, as the case may be, that is relevant to the functions of the financial advisory board.

"`Powers

"`(8) Without limiting the generality of subsection (7), the financial advisory board has power to,

"`(a) require an old council or a local board of an old municipality to,

"`(i) furnish information, records or documents that are in its possession and are relevant to the functions of the financial advisory board,

"`(ii) create a new document or record that is relevant to the functions of the financial advisory board by compiling existing information, and furnish the document or record, and

"`(iii) update earlier information furnished under this subsection; and

"`(b) impose a deadline for compliance with a requirement under clause (a).

"`Delegation

"`(9) The financial advisory board may authorize one or more of its members to act on its behalf.

"`Staff, facilities and services

"`(10) The financial advisory board may hire staff, arrange for facilities and obtain expert services as it considers necessary to perform its functions.

"`Dissolution of board

"`(11) The financial advisory board is dissolved on January 31, 1998.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I just want to point out that there are former members in the public gallery: the former member for Hamilton East and the former member for Hamilton West. We welcome them.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you.

Shall section 9, as amended, carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 9, as amended, is carried.

NDP motion, section 10; clause 10(1)(b):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 10 of the bill be amended by striking out clause 10(1)(b) and substituting the following:

"`(b) the old council's or local board's budget provides for the act.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, section 10; paragraph 6 of subsection 10(2):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace section 10 of the bill be amended by striking out paragraph 6 of subsection 10(2)."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Government motion, section 10:

"I move that section 10 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Transactions during transitional period

"`10(1) During the transitional period, an old council or a local board of an old municipality shall not do an act described in subsection (2) unless,

"`(a) the act is done in accordance with a guideline established under subsection 9(5); or

"`(b) the old council's or local board's budget specifically provides for the act, has been submitted to the financial advisory board and considered by it under subsections 11(1) and (3), and has been dealt with by the old council or local board under subsection 11(5), if applicable.

"`Same

"`(2) Subsection (1) applies to the following acts:

"`1. Conveying an interest in property whose original purchase price or actual current value exceeds $100,000.

"`2. Purchasing an interest in property for a price that exceeds $100,000.

"`3. Transferring money between or among reserves or reserve funds, or changing the purpose or designation of a reserve or reserve fund.

"`4. Entering into a contract or incurring a financial liability or obligation that extends beyond the end of the transitional year.

"`5. Making or agreeing to make a payment in connection with the ending of an employment relationship, except in accordance with a contract or collective agreement entered into before the day this section comes into force.

"`6. Appointing a person to a position, hiring a new employee or promoting an existing employee.

"`Exception

"`(3) Subsection (1) does not prevent an old board or a local board of an old municipality from,

"`(a) doing anything that it is otherwise required to do by law;

"`(b) taking action in an emergency.

"`Same

"`(4) Subsection (1) does not prevent the performance of a contract entered into before the day this section comes into force.

"`Same

"`(5) Subsection (1) does not prevent an act that is,

"`(a) approved by the financial advisory board; or

"`(b) provided for by a bylaw or resolution that also contains a provision to the effect that it shall not come into force until the approval of the financial advisory board has been obtained.

"`Time for approval, conditions

"`(6) The financial advisory board may approve an act under clause (5)(a) in advance or retroactively, and in either case may impose conditions on the approval.

"`Retroactive effect

"`(7) Guidelines made under subsection 9(5) may, if they so provide, apply to acts done before the guidelines are published.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50: the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

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Shall section 10, as amended, carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 10, as amended, is carried.

Liberal motion, section 11. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22: the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Government motion, section 11:

"I move that section 11 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`1997 budgets

"`11(1) Each old council and each local board of an old municipality shall, by a date fixed by the financial advisory board, submit to the board,

"`(a) the old council's or local board's final operating and capital budgets for 1997;

"`(b) a statement of its actual operating and capital expenditures for the first quarter of 1997; and

"`(c) a forecast of its operating expenditures for the second, third and fourth quarters of 1997.

"`Quarterly spending report

"`(2) Within 14 days after the end of each of the second, third and fourth quarters of 1997, each old council and local board shall submit to the financial advisory board a report,

"`(a) comparing actual operating expenditures for that quarter to the amount forecast in the budget; and

"`(b) stating capital expenditures for that quarter.

"`Consideration of budgets and reports

"`(3) When material is submitted under subsection (1) or (2), the financial advisory board shall consider it and give the old council or local board a written response indicating,

"`(a) what concerns the financial advisory board has in connection with the material submitted; or

"`(b) that it has no concerns, if that is the case.

"`Example

"`(4) Without limiting the generality of subsection (3), when the financial advisory board considers a budget it shall consider the extent to which planned spending includes appropriations from reserves and reserve funds.

"`Duty of old council or local board

"`(5) If the financial advisory board expresses concerns under subsection (3) in connection with material submitted under subsection (1), the old council or local board shall consider them and,

"`(a) change the budget in response to the concerns; or

"`(b) confirm the budget as submitted to the financial advisory board.

"`Same

"`(6) If the financial advisory board expresses no concerns under subsection (3), the old council or local board need take no further action.

"`Meeting open to public

"`(7) Any decisions required by subsection (5) shall be made at a meeting that is open to the public.

"`Local board without own budget

"`(8) A local board whose budget forms part of the overall budget of an old council is not required to submit material under subsection (1) or (2).

"`Extension of time

"`(9) The financial advisory board may, at the request of an old council or local board, extend a time limit fixed under subsection (1) of a time limit set out in subsection (2), may do so retroactively and may impose conditions on the extension.

"`Alternate reporting periods

"`(10) An old council or local board may, if it obtains the approval of the financial advisory board in advance, express the statements, forecasts and reports required by subsections (1) and (2) in terms of a specified reporting period other than a quarter.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

Shall section 11, as amended, carry? All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 11, as amended, is carried.

Liberal motion, section 12. Shall the vote carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Shall section 12 carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22, the --

Interjections.

Mr Silipo: There's some confusion on how you're calling that vote.

The First Deputy Chair: Shall section 12 of the bill -- not an amendment -- carry?

Mr Silipo: If we want to strike out the section, then obviously we vote no. Is that --

The First Deputy Chair: Yes, that's correct.

Mr Silipo: Okay. We're with you on this one.

The First Deputy Chair: Let's try this again. Shall section 12 of the bill carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 0; the nays are 72.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 12 is carried.

Clerk Assistant: No, it's not; it's lost.

The First Deputy Chair: It's lost. Okay, we have that clear. Section 12 is lost.

Shall section 13 carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The section is carried.

Section 14 was previously struck out.

Government motion, section 15:

"I move that section 15 of the bill be amended by striking out `board of trustees' in the second line of subsection (1) and in clause (2)(a) and substituting in both cases `financial advisory board.'"

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

Shall section 15, as amended, carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: Section 15, as amended, is carried.

Liberal motion, section 16:

"I move that section 16 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Transition team

"`16.(1) There shall be a transition team consisting of one or more members appointed by the Lieutenant Governor in Council.

"`Duties

"`(2) The transition team shall,

"`(a) consider what further legislation may be required to implement this act, and make detailed recommendations to the minister;

"`(b) work with the old councils and the local boards of the old municipalities to ensure a smooth transition and to ensure that levels of service remain consistent during the transitional period;

"`(c) hold public consultations on the implementation of this act;

"`(d) make recommendations to the new council;

"`(e) report to the minister at his or her request;

"`(f) cooperate with the board of trustees.

"`Primacy of local elected officials

"`(3) The transition team has no power to override local decision-making or interfere with the activities of local elected officials.

"`Dissolution

"`(3) The transition team is dissolved on January 31, 2001."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

NDP motion, subsection 16(4), clause 16(4)(i):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace subsection 16(4) of the bill be amended by striking out clause 16(4)(i)."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Government motion, subsection 16(4):

"I move that subsection 16(4) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Duties

"`(4) The transition team shall,

"`(a) consider what further legislation may be required to implement this act, and make detailed recommendations to the minister;

"`(b) establish the key elements of the new city's organizational structure and hire, in accordance with section 17, the municipal officers required by statute and any other employees of executive rank whom the transition team considers necessary to ensure the good management of the new city;

"`(c) hold public consultations on,

"`(i) the functions to be assigned to neighbourhood committees and the method of choosing their members,

"`(ii) the functions to be assigned to the community councils and the executive committee, and

"`(iii) the rationalization and integration of municipal services across the new city and associated opportunities for savings;

"`(d) give the old councils opportunities to meet with the transition team to discuss the matters described in subclauses (c)(i), (ii) and (iii);

"`(e) before December 31, 1997, make detailed recommendations to the new council on,

"`(i) the matters referred to in subclauses (c)(i), (ii) and (iii),

"`(ii) a procedure bylaw for the purposes of subsection 55(2) of the Municipal Act,

"`(iii) the remuneration of the mayor, the community chairs and the other members of council, and

"`(iv) transitional issues;

"`(f) prepare and submit to the new council for its consideration a proposed operating and capital budget for 1998 that provides for property tax stability and continuity of service delivery;

"`(g) report to the minister at his or her request;

"`(h) cooperate with the financial advisory board;

"`(i) carry out any other prescribed duties."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

Government motion, clause 16(5)(b):

"I move that clause 16(5)(b) of the bill be amended by adding `and that is relevant to the functions of the transition team' at the end."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50; the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

NDP motion, clauses 16(6)(a) and (d), subclause 16(6)(d)(iii):

"I move that the government motion to strike out and replace clauses 16(6)(a) and (d) of the bill be amended by striking out subclause (6)(d)(iii)."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 22; the nays are 50.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is lost.

Government motion, clauses 16(6)(a) and (d):

"I move that clauses 16(6)(a) and (d) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`(a) require an old council or a local board of an old municipality to submit a report,

"`(i) identifying the assets and liabilities of the old municipality or local board, or specified categories of those assets and liabilities, or

"`(ii) naming the members and employees of the old municipality or local board and stating their positions, terms of employment, remuneration and benefits;

"`(d) require an old council or a local board of an old municipality to,

"`(i) furnish information, records or documents that are in its possession or control and are relevant to the functions of the transition team,

"`(ii) create a new document or record that is relevant to the functions of the transition team by compiling existing information, and furnish the document or record, or

"`(iii) submit a report concerning any matter the transition team specifies that is relevant to its functions."

Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 50, the nays are 22.

The First Deputy Chair: The vote is carried.

It being 11:45, the committee is in recess until 12 noon.

The committee recessed from 1145 to 1200.

The Second Deputy Chair (Mr Bert Johnson): Will the members take their seats, please.

Clerk Assistant: Chair, there are 30 government members.

The Second Deputy Chair: Do you agree?

Hon Norman W. Sterling (Minister of Environment and Energy): Yes, I agree.

Clerk Assistant: There are 10 members of the official opposition.

The Second Deputy Chair: Do you agree?

Mr Bradley: I agree.

Clerk Assistant: There are three members of the third party.

The Second Deputy Chair: Do you agree?

Mr Wildman: Yes.

The Second Deputy Chair: Government motion, subsection 16(12) --

Mr Wildman: Can you read it, please.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move that subsection 16(12) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`Dissolution of transition team

"`(12) The transition team is dissolved on January 31, 1998.'"

Those in favour; those opposed.

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is carried.

Hon Mr Sterling: On a point of order, Chair: Would it be possible to have unanimous consent that those who are indicating "aye" or "nay" move down to the front row?

The Second Deputy Chair: Do we have consent? No.

Shall section 16, as amended, carry? Those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the section, as amended, carried.

Shall section 17 carry? Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: Section 17 is carried.

Liberal motion, section 18: Those in favour? Those opposed?

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Shall section 18 carry? Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 0; the nays are 43.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the section lost.

Shall section 19 carry? Those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: The section is carried.

Shall section 21 carry?

Mr Wildman: What happened to 20?

The Second Deputy Chair: Section 20 was previously struck out.

Those in favour of section 21 carrying, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the section carried.

Liberal motion, section 22.

Mr Colle: Read it, please.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move that section 22 of the bill be amended,

"(a) by striking out `November 30, 1997' in the second line of paragraph 1 and substituting `November 30, 2000';

"(b) by striking out `section 10 of the Municipal Elections Act' in subsection (2) and substituting `section 6 of the Municipal Elections Act, 1996'".

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Government motion, section 22.

Mr Colle: Read it, please.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move that section 22 of the bill be amended,

"(a) by striking out `transitional year' in the third line of subsection (1) and substituting `transitional period'; and

"(b) by striking out `section 10 of the Municipal Elections Act' in the second and third lines of subsection (2) and substituting `section 6 of the Municipal Elections Act, 1996'".

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion carried.

Shall section 22, as amended, carry? Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: Section 22, as amended, carries.

Liberal motion amending section 23.

Mr Colle: Read it.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move that section 23 of the bill be amended,

"(a) by striking out `1997 regular election' in the first and second lines, and in the third and fourth lines of paragraph 2, and substituting in both cases `2000 regular election';

"(b) by striking out `1997' in the second line and in the last line of paragraph 4 and substituting in both cases `2000';

"(c) by striking out `1998' in paragraph 5 and substituting `2001'".

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

NDP motion.

Mr Wildman: Read it, please.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move that paragraph 5 of section 23 of the bill be struck out."

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Government motion amending section 23, paragraphs 1, 2 and 4.

Mr Colle: Read it, please.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move that paragraphs 1, 2 and 4 of section 23 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`1. The election shall be conducted as if sections 2, 3, 4 and 6 were already in force.

"`2. The minister shall designate a person to conduct the 1997 regular election....

"`4. The costs of the election that are payable in 1997 shall be included in the 1997 operating budget of the municipality of Metropolitan Toronto, and paid by that municipality as directed by the person designated under paragraph 2.

"`4.1 Each area municipality under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall include in its 1997 operating budget an amount equal to the amount it would have budgeted for the costs of the 1997 regular election had this act not been passed, and shall pay that amount to the municipality of Metropolitan Toronto on or before July 1, 1997.

"`4.2 The amount referred to in paragraph 4.1 shall be paid, first, from any reserve or reserve fund previously established by the area municipality for the costs of the 1997 regular election. For greater certainty, paragraph 3 of subsection 10(2) does not apply in respect of the payment.'"

Those in favour of this government motion, say "aye." Opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion carried.

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Shall section 23, as amended, carry? Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare section 23, as amended, carried.

This is an independent motion amending section 23.1.

Mr Wildman: Please read it.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Election contributions, candidate for head of council

"`23.1 Despite subsections 71(1) and (2) of the Municipal Elections Act, 1996, the maximum total contribution a contributor may make to a candidate for the office of mayor of the new city is $2,500.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion carried.

Government motion amending clauses 24(1)(a) and (b).

Mr Wildman: Please read it.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move that subsection 24(1) of the bill be amended by striking out clauses (a) and (b) and substituting the following:

"`(a) exempt a local board from the application of any provision of sections 9, 10 and 11.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion carried.

NDP motion, clause 24(1)(a):

"I move that subsection 24(1) of the bill be amended by striking out clause (a)."

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

NDP motion, clause 24(1)(b):

"I move that subsection 24(1) of the bill be amended by striking out clause (b)."

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Government motion, clause 24(1)(e).

Mr Colle: Please read it.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move that clause 24(1)(e) of the bill be struck out and the following substituted:

"`(e) prescribe,

"`(i) functions for the purpose of subsection 5.2(4) (additional functions, community councils),

"`(ii) duties for the purpose of clause 9(4)(e) (financial advisory board),

"`(iii) duties for the purpose of clause 16(4)(i) (transition team), and

"`(iv) anything else referred to in this act as being prescribed.'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion carried.

Government motion:

"I move that subsection 24(3) of the bill be struck out."

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion carried.

NDP motion:

"I move that the government motion to amend section 24 of the bill by adding subsection (1.1) be amended by striking out clause (1.1)(c).'"

Those in favour, say "aye." Those opposed, say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Government motion, subsection 24(1.1).

Mr Wildman: Please read it.

The Second Deputy Chair: "I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Examples, transitional matters, 1997 regular election

"`(1.1) Without limiting the generality of clause (1)(c), the minister may make regulations,

"`(a) authorizing the use of voting and vote-counting equipment and of alternative voting methods, as described in section 42 of the Municipal Elections Act, 1996;

"`(b) establishing one or more dates for an advance vote and opening hours of voting places on that date or dates, as described in section 43 of that act;

"`(c) providing for payment of rebates to persons who make contributions to candidates for office on city council.'"

Those in favour of this government motion say "aye." Those opposed to this government motion say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 30; the nays are 13.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion carried.

NDP motion:

"I move that section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Mandatory regulations, contribution rebates

"`(1.2) The minister shall, by regulation, provide for the payment of rebates to persons who made contributions to candidates for office on city council.'"

Those in favour of this NDP motion say "aye." Those opposed to this NDP motion say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

We begin with the NDP motions to subsection 24(4).

Abbeywood Trail. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abbotsfield Gate. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abbotsford Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abbott Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abbottswood Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abbs Street. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Mr Gilchrist: Mr Chair, on a point of order: I wonder if I could seek unanimous consent to allow the Clerk to remain seated, which is not normally the process, but given that we have 8,000 of these, I'm sure she would appreciate the opportunity.

The Second Deputy Chair: Is there unanimous consent? It is agreed. We're ready to proceed.

Abell Street. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aberdeen Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aberfoyle Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aberlady Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abigail Place. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abilene Drive. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abinger Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ablemarle Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abner Place. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Abrams Place. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Acacia Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Acacia Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

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Academy Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Acheson Boulevard. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Ackrow Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Ahmic Lake Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Acland Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Acme Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Acorn Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Acre Heights Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Acton Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ada Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adair Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adamede Crescent. All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adams Drive. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adams Park Gate. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adanac Drive. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Addington Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Addington Place. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Addison Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adelaide Street. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adele Avenue. All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adeline Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adelpha Drive. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adencliff Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aderno Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adesso Drive. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adirondack Gate. I can't say it. I'll spell it: a-d-i-r-o-n-d-a-c-k Gate. My tongue is numb. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adler Street. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Admiral Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk Assistant: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adonis Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table (Mr Todd Decker): The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adra Villaway. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adrian Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Adriatic Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion is lost.

Advance Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Afton Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Agar Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Agate Road. Shall the motion carry? Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Agatha Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Agincourt Drive. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aikenhead Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aileen Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Ailsa Craig Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Ainsdale Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Ainsley Gardens. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Ainsworth Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aintree Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Airdrie Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Airley Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aiken Place. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Akasha Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Akron Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alabaster Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Mr Wildman: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I just wanted to let the table officers know that my friend from Welland-Thorold will do the ayes and nays for us for the next little while.

The Second Deputy Chair: Okay.

Alameda Avenue. All those in favour say "aye." All those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alamosa Drive. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

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Abbeville Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alan Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alanbull Square. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Alanbury Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alanmeade Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alba Place. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Albacore Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Albani Street. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Albany Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Albemarle Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Albert Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Albert Franck Place. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alberta Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Albertus Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Albion Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Albion Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Albright Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alcan Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alcester Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alcina Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alcorn Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aldburn Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aldbury Gardens. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alden Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aldenham Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alder Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alder Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion lost.

Alderbrae Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alderbrook Drive. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aldercrest Road. Those In favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alderdale Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aldergrove Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aldershot Crescent. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alderton Court. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aldgate Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aldridge Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Aldwych Avenue, a-l-d-w-y-c-h. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alexander Street. All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alexandra Boulevard. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alexandra Wood. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alexdon Road. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alexis Boulevard. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alexmuir Boulevard. All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alford Crescent. All those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alfred Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Algie Avenue. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

Mr Wildman: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I don't know if it's in order for us to recognize two former members of this assembly.

Hon Mr Tsubouchi: We already did that.

Mr Wildman: You already did? All right.

The Second Deputy Chair: Very much out of order, but very respectful.

Mr Colle: On a point of order, Mr Chair: We're switching over to the member for Wilson Heights to take over for the ayes on this side.

The Second Deputy Chair: Thank you.

Algo Court. All those in favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

Hon Mr Sterling: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: I believe the agreement was that only the whip or the House leader could do it, but we will give unanimous consent for Mr Kwinter to indicate the wishes of the Liberal caucus.

The Second Deputy Chair: Is there unanimous consent?

Mr Wildman: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I appreciate the offer of unanimous consent, but it was clear in the agreement that it was the House leader, whip, or designate.

Mr Monte Kwinter (Wilson Heights): Mr Chairman, if I could just read it into the record, I have a copy of the Speaker's ruling.

The Second Deputy Chair: No, that isn't necessary. As long as you're the designate, and you're neither one of the other two, I'm perfectly satisfied, Mr Kwinter -- a matter of your experience and so on. Just let me check on that.

Hon Mr Sterling: That's fine.

The Second Deputy Chair: That is a point of order, but it is cleared up.

Algoma Street. Those in favour say "aye." Those opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Algonquin Avenue: Those in favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alhambra Avenue, a-l-h-a-m-b-r-a: In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alhart Drive. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alice Crescent. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alicewood Court. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alissa Place. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alladin Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allan Park Drive. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allanbrooke Drive. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

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Allanford Road. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allangrove Crescent. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allanhurst Drive. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allcroft Drive. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allen Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allenbury Gardens. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allenby Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allenvale Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allenwood Crescent. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allerton Road. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alliance Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allingham Gardens. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allison Drive. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allister Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allonsius Drive, a-l-l-o-n-s-i-u-s. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alloy Court. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allstate Parkway. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Allview Crescent. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alma Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alma Drive. Those in favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Almayo Crescent, a-l-m-a-y-o. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Almington Street. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Almont Road. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Almore Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alness Street. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alonzo Road. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alpaca Drive, a-l-p-a-c-a. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alpha Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

Alpine Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed say "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays are 30.

The Second Deputy Chair: The motion is lost.

The Acting Chair (Mr Jack Carroll): Alrita Crescent. Those in favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Altair Avenue. Those in favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Altamont Road. Those in favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Althea Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Alvin Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Alvinson Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Alyward Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Alton Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amanda Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amaranth Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amarillo Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amaron Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ambassador Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amber Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ambercroft Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amberdale Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amberjack Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amberley Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amberwood Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ambleside Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amboy Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ambrose Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ameer Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amelia Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ames Circle. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ames Gate. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amesbury Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amethyst Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amherst Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amiens Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amoro Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amos Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ampleford Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amroth Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amsterdam Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Amulet Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anaconda Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

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Ancaster Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anchor Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ancona Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ancroft Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anderson Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Andes Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Andona Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Andover Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Andrews Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aneta Circle. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anewen Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Angel Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anglesey Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Angora Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Angus Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ann Arbour Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anna Hilliard Lane. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Annabelle Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Annan Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Annapearl Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Annaree Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anndale Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anndale Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anneke Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Annesley Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Annette Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Annis Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anola Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ansell Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ansford Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ansley Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anson Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anthia Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anthony Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Antibes Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anticosti Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Antioch Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Antler Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Antrim Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Anvil Millway. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Apache Trail. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Apex Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Apollo Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Appian Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Appleby Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Appleby Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Appledale Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Applefield Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Applegate Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Applemore Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Appleton Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Appletree Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Apsco Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Apsley Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Apted Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aquila Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aragon Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Araman Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Araz Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arbordell. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arbordell Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arborwood Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arbroath Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arbutus Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arcadian Circle. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Archer Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Archerhill Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Archway Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Archwood Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arcot Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ardagh Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ardell Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arden Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arden Thorpe Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ardgowan Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ardmore Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ardrossan Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ardtrea Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ardua Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ardwick Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ardwold Gate. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ares Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Argate Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Argentia Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Argo Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Argonaut Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Argonne Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Argyle Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Argyle Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arjay Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arkona Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arkwright Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

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The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arlene Crescent: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arleta Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arlington Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arlstan Drive: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Armada Court: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Armadale Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Armel Court: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Armitage Drive: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Armour Boulevard: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Armstrong Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arnall Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arncliffe Crescent: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arnham Road: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arnold Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arnold Crescent: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arnold Street: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arnott Street: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arnprior Road: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arran Crescent: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arrow Road: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arrowdale Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arrowhead Court: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arrowsmith Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arrowstook Road: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Artech Court: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arthur Griffith Drive: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arthur Street: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Artillery Street: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Artinger Court: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Artisan Place: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Artreeva Drive: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Arundel Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ascolda Boulevard: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ascot Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ash Crescent: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashall Boulevard: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashbourne Drive: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashbridges Road: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashburnham Road: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashbury Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashby Place: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashcott Street: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashdale Avenue: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashdean Drive: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashfield Drive: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashford Drive: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashgrove Place: In favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashland Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashley Park Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashmill Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashmore Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashmount Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashridge Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashstead Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashton Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashtonbee Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashwarren Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashwick Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashwood Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ashworth Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aspen Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aspendale Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aspenwood Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Asquith Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Assiniboine Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Astley Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Astor Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Astoria Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Astral Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Athabaska Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Athenia Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atherton Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Athletic Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Athlone Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Athlone Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Athol Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atkins Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atkinson Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atkinson Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atlantic Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atlas Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atlee Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atomic Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atrium Lane. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Attercliff Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Attila Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atwell Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Atwood Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Auburn Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Auburndale Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Audley Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

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Audley Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Mr Turnbull: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I believe we have unanimous consent to allow the designated voter to move to the front.

The Acting Chair: We do have unanimous consent for that, that the designated voter move to one of the front benches. Would the designated voter for the third party wish to move forward? Are we all set? Thank you.

Audrelane Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Audrey Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Audubon Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Augusta Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Augusta Square. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aukland Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Auld Croft Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aura Lea Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aurora Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Austin Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Austin Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Austin Terrace. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Austrey Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Autumn Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Autumn Glen Circle. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ava Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ava Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avalon Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avalon Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avalon Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aveline Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avenal Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avening Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avenue Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Averdon Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Averill Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avery Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aviemore Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avion Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avis Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avoca Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avon Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avon Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avon Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avon Park Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avondale Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avondale Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avonhill Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avonhurst Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avonlea Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avonmore Square. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Avonwick Gate. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Awde Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Axsmith Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aylesbury Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aylesford Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aylesworth Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aymarn Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ayr Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ayre Point Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Azalea Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Aziel Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Azrock Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Babcock Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Babington Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baby Point Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed, "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nay 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baby Point Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baby Point Terrace. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bachelor Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baden Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Badger Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Badgerow Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baffin Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bagot Court. In favour say "aye." Opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bagwell Crescent. In favour say "aye." Opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bailey Crescent. In favour say "aye." Opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bain Avenue. In favour say "aye." Opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baintree Street. In favour say "aye." Opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bairstow Crescent. In favour say "aye." Opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13; the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baird Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baker Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bakersfield Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bakerton Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bala Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balaby Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balaclava Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balcarra Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balding Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baldoon Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baldwin Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baleberry Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bales Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed, "nay."

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Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nay 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balford Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balfour Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ballacaine Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ballantyne Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ballater Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balliol Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ballyconnor Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ballymena Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ballyronan Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balmer Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balmoral Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balmuto Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balmy Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balsam Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Balsam Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baltic Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baltray Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bamber Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bambi Trail. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bamboo Grove. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bamburgh Circle. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bamford Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Banbury Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bancroft Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Banda Square. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Banff Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bangor Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Banigan Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bank Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bankfield Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bankview Circle. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bankwell Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Banmoor Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bannatyne Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bannerman Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bannockburn Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bannon Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bansley Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Banstock Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Banton Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barbados Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barbara Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barber Greene Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barberry Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barclay Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bards Walkway. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bardsea Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bardwell Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barfield Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barford Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barkdene Hills. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barker Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barksdale Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barkwin Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barkwood Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barkworth Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barlow Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barmac Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barnes Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barnes Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barnsley Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barnwell Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barnwood Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barolo Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baroness Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baronial Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barrett Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barrhead Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barrie Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barrington Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barrowcliff Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barrydale Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion carried -- correction, I declare the motion lost.

Barrymore Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barse Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bartel Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bartlett Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bartley Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barton Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bartonville Avenue West. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bartor Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barvale Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barwell Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Barwick Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Base Line West. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Basildon Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Basin Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baskerville Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Basking Ridge. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bassano Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bassett Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Basswood Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bastedo Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Batavia Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

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The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Batawa Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bathford Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bater Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bathgate Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bathurst Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Battenberg Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Battersea Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Batterswood Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Battinger Gate. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baudina Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bauty Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bay Mills Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bay Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bayard Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bayberry Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baybrook Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baycrest Avenue. In favour say "aye" --

Mr Wildman: Chair, on a point of order: The member for Cochrane North is going to sit in the whip's seat as per the unanimous agreement and take over the laborious task of saying "aye."

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Baycrest Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: Declare the motion lost.

Bayfield Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: Declare the motion lost.

Bayford Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bayhampton Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baylawn Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bayliss Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bayshill Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baytree Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bayview Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bayview Heights Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bayview Ridge Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bayview Wood. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Baywood Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beacham Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beachdale Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beachell Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beachview Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beacon Hall Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beacon Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaconhill Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaconsfield Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bead Fernway. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beamish Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beamsville Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bearbury Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beardmore Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beare Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bearwood Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beath Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaton Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beatrice Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beattie Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaty Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaucourt Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaufield Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaufort Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaumaris Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaumonde Heights Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaumont Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaver Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaver Bend Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaver Lake. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaver Terrace. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaver Valley Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaverbrook Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaverbrook Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaverdale Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beaverhall Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Becca Hall Trail. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beck Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beckenham Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beckett Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beckwith Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bedford Park Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bedford Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bedle Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beech Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beechborough Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beechgrove Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beechwood Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beechwood Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beechwood Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beechwood Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beecroft Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Beethoven Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belcourt Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belfield Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belfry Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belgate Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belgravia Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belgreen Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

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Belgrove Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belinda Square. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bella Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellair Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellamy Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellbrook Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellbury Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belle Ayre Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

Mr Wildman: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: I've been listening to this process and it concerns me that it seems incomplete. The reason it seems incomplete is you are not saying, "NDP amendment," or "NDP motion to section 24(4)" and the street name, so I'm requesting you to do that.

The Acting Chair: As I understood the Speaker's ruling, he said that all that had to be read was the street name, so that is what I will continue to read, sir.

Mr Wildman: With regret, Chair, I will have to challenge that ruling.

The Acting Chair: Okay. Call up the Speaker.

The committee rose and requested a ruling of the Speaker.

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The Speaker: Please be seated.

The Acting Chair: Mr Speaker, we'd been going through the NDP amendments to section 24(4) of the bill, a series of street names. We had done about 800 or 900 of those, just reading the street name, as I understood your instructions were. The member for Algoma asked if I would then begin to read, "NDP amendment, section so-and-so," and the street name. I said I was following what I thought were your instructions, that is, to read just the street name and, based on that decision of mine, he challenged that and asked that you come in and rule.

The Speaker: Thank you. Member for Algoma?

Mr Wildman: Mr Speaker, I suppose this may seem like a minor matter but it does deal with decorum of the House, the traditions of the House and the proper operation of the committee. As I understand your ruling, which I respect, the amendments did not need to be individually read but could be identified by enumerating the street name. We accept that, but it is important for all of us to know what we are doing and it is important for anyone, in my view, who is viewing this on television to know what we are doing. Simply to read a long list of street names doesn't do that.

What we are doing is dealing with New Democratic Party amendments -- I wouldn't require it to be read as "New Democratic Party," but that would be proper -- to section 24(4) of the bill. All I'm suggesting is, after having listened to the Acting Chair go through this for a number of amendments, that it must be incomprehensible to most and simply to identify what in fact we are doing. We are dealing with NDP motions that amend subsection 24(4) of Bill 103, and I'm simply asking that that be done properly, while using the street name to identify the individual amendment that is being dealt with.

The Speaker: Minister of Energy and Environment?

Hon Mr Sterling: Thanks very much, although it's less energy, more environment. Mr Speaker, I just want to make two brief points. (1) This has already been accepted by the Legislature in terms of usage as we have already gone through 800 or 900 of these amendments, and it's kind of late in the game to start changing the rules. (2) I believe that the whole purpose of identifying the amendment by the street, as you have indicated, and the naming of the street is so that each and every member of this Legislature will understand what amendment we're on so that they can choose which way they would vote.

I might add that in the previous procedure which we had the section was named, the New Democratic Party was identified as the sponsor and therefore each and every member knows of that connection.

I guess lastly, Mr Speaker, there are 8,000 amendments. I don't think anything is gained in terms of the process by repeating the same sentence 8,000 times.

Mr Wildman: Very briefly, I think the minister, in his intervention, has underlined the point I am making. It is not only important for us to know the street name, it is important for us to know the section of the bill that the amendment is dealing with.

The Speaker: I thank the members for their submissions. I also thank the fact that not once did I hear Beauchesne or Erskine May and that makes me happy. First, let me say the amendments were announced at the beginning of this and they were the NDP amendments, plural. There's a timeliness, of course, to bringing up a point of order. We're somewhere between 800 or 900, I forget the exact number, through, and that in fact is a timely argument.

But having said that, to the member for Algoma, I will say that in my ruling it was very clear, and I read it: "Therefore I am ruling that with respect to the street amendments the Chair can simply read the street names." That is about as clear as I can make it. Having said that, if there is some concern, I would ask these two simple processes be followed for the future.

I will ensure that as quickly as possible a generic amendment be provided at the table, as many copies as needed. If you need it, you can come down and get it. Second, at the beginning of every four-hour voting period cycle, I will ask the Chair to announce to the members who come in what amendment we are actually speaking to and they can read the amendment at that time as well, one time and one time only. Thank you.

House in committee of the whole.

The Acting Chair: Bellechasse Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellefair Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellefontaine Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belleglade Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellehaven Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellemeade Lane. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellevue Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellevue Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellhaven Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellholme Lane. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellman Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellvare Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellwoods Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bellwoods Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belmont Street. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belmore Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belmuir Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belper Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belsay Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belshaw Place. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belsize Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belton Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belvale Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belvedere Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belvia Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belvidere Avenue. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Belyea Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bemberg Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bemersyde Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bemerton Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ben Alder Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ben Doran Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ben Nevis Drive. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Ben Stanton Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Benadair Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Benalto Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Benary Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Benbow Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bendale Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Benedict Road. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Benfrisco Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Bengal Court. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Benhur Crescent. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Benjamin Boulevard. In favour say "aye," opposed "nay."

Clerk at the Table: The ayes are 13, the nays 30.

The Acting Chair: I declare the motion lost.

Mr David Turnbull (York Mills): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I would propose, in view of the special arrangements we've made, that we allow the table officer who's declaring the numbers to be able to sit while he's doing this.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. That offer has already been made and they've chosen not to take advantage of it. We appreciate your concern, though.

Report continues in volume Z.